Fake 1917 T&V??

I had a whole long thing then got confused uploading pictures. It got deleted. Short post: can anyone tell me if these are fakes? I think they might be.

Reasons:
The gold looks too new
The paint work is sloppy
The "matching" plates are H. Sleb

I bought them at auction for $20 so no huge loss, they are pretty. Its just the stamps that are throwing me off.

Tried selling these on EBAY but I don't want to rip anyone off and also no takers. Any help is much appreciated.

 

Pls go back to your post....hit EDIT.....and click FULL IMAGE...so the pics show up full size !!

 

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...29466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=11111

Better pics on the listing

 

Done!

 

Also I had no idea that being dirty could help with age and I wiped these down before these pics ‍♀️ but still I don't think 100+ years of grime would just wipe away...

 

if well cared for....dirt and grime can be washed off of china ...even if old !!

just saying...

 

Yikes. I literally have no idea what I'm doing lol. It was dirty so I wiped it down. Still I can't tell if these were blanks hand painted to match by the artist, real pieces defaced with gold paint later, or really clever fakes. I mean it could be possible to print a picture of a real stamp, then laser cut it into a blank stamp and whala... I just need other ops. I think

 

I mean it could be possible to print a picture of a real stamp, then laser cut it into a blank stamp......

to what end...the items are not that valuable...

 

Lol I suppose. Im not trying to retire off of it. But what if someone has a nice collection of T&V and then they buy this and its junk? Its important to the people who enjoy it. 1950s elves aren't valuable, but my mom collected them for years. I love interesting glass and pottery but most of it is probably worth less then retail.

Anyway Im sure your point was: why would anyone go through the trouble but hey, a buck is a buck you know and if they could mass produce it...

 

Point taken............

Let me know when some master criminal counterfeits the One dollar bill !!!

Heehehehee!!!!!!!

( I've always though that's something that could never be caught.........but spending it all could take 4 ever !!! )

 

Hi Komo,
Over the years iI have saved FAKED one dollar bills. I have 43 of them now. Kids have been running them off
printers and such. Some of them are so bad it staggers the mind that they have passed over many hands.
greg

 

I don't know about the others, but I suspect that the first one was Hobbyist decorated which would account for the signature and the mismatched makers of the blanks. China painting was a very popular hobby 100 years ago.

 

Absolutely, and in that case, the maker of the blank is not important.

 

This site gives some history and mentions the green T&V mark showing it was a blank.

http://www.steinmarks.co.uk/pages/pv.asp?p=stein683


"Single green ink stamp, used from 1892 to 1907, indicating that it was sold as a blank, from featured tankard on immediate right. It was subsequently decorated by an amateur artist."

 

Wow!! Thanks for the info! Hand decorated blanks. I suspected something was weird. The flowers are painted nicely but not smoothly. You can see paint strokes also the gold paint is whoa!! Still better then I could do.

As far as price, I literally made it up! Ha. I figured if they were real a collector would know and be willing to pay. If they were not valuable no one would be paying that, therefore I wouldn't be purposefully selling fakes.

Currently I have then sitting in my china hutch. They really are pretty. I did offer someone 60 for them though.

Anyway as far as shipping, I've switched to FedEx. We'll see if I have better luck. I dont normally sell stuff, that is just extra stuff I got at auction. Also have a Weller vase which is gorgeous.

Anyway thanks for your lovely comments and help!

 

Okay, let's start over with your listing. You have a Tressemann & Vogt (T&V) chocolate pot, with matching sugar bowl and creamer; hobbyist decorated with pink roses and gold trim. I would include the plates with the set (it is unclear to me from your listing if you are throwing them in. Personally, I would include them as they have little value on their own). Date of production circa 1910 should cover your timeframe. Measure your pieces. That pot can't be much over 12" if that.

You are looking for a buyer who collects T&V, chocolate pots, and/or pieces with pink roses. Those are really your selling points. There aren't many of these collectors out there so cross your fingers. Limoges, in general, is a depressed market. Avoid the temptation to buy china for resale. It's a slow seller and there are many more pieces out there than the market can absorb. There are still desirable pieces (e.g. Limoges drop rose) but unless you know those patterns you will wind up with a garage full of china that you bought cheaply but can't resell. The value in most china nowadays is purely decorative.

Don't mention breakage. You'll make your buyers nervous. You can just say you ship Fedex. Regardless of your shipping contractor items like this should be boxed individually and then inserted into a large box. For pieces like these I wrap first in tissue paper, then in a craft paper, then bubble wrap. That item is then boxed and I move onto the next item. Once they are all ready I put them in a larger box with room on all sides for newspaper padding. Even so I occasionally lose an item but it's rare. You have to look on breakage as a failure on your part and not on the part of the shipping contractor. The pot, sugar, and creamer should probably go in a 16 x 16 x 16 box at the smallest. At the price you are charging you will lose money if you get a buyer on the West Coast, Southwest, or South Florida.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

 

Typical hobby decorated limoges blanks, see them all the time but maybe the hobby was more prevalent in our area. @Bakersgma nailed it exactly! Not everything is faked, especially things of limited appeal - why bother!

 

It does help! The pot IS bigger then 12" seriously. I will update with pics. This post was so helpful! Im not buying to resell, actually I was buying Fenton glass, specifically "Violets in the Snow" and alot if the stuff on my ebay was extra. Some I did buy to resell kinda like there was 1 thing I wanted in a lot of 20 and I probably could have bought just that thing but I mean my daughter and I are having fun.

About packaging: thank you!! It never even occurred to me to put little boxes in with the big ones.

 

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...29466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=11111

Updated using yalls advice. Still need to get off my butt and measure though.