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Featured Help w/ Delft Marks.

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Bdigger, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    This is a 23" Delft wall Plaque I'm interested in bidding on in an upcoming auction. I Love the scene on it. However the variety if marks and signature on the front have me confused. Can anybody help me figure out age and other info on it. (an approx value would help too.)
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    lovewrens, judy, i need help and 6 others like this.
  2. Mill Cove Treasures

    Mill Cove Treasures Well-Known Member

  3. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

  4. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

  5. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

  6. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Thanks everybody! @KikoBlueEyes thanks for looking at the sold prices for me. I'm impressed. I thought it was good, but not THAT good! LOL I like the scene on the one I showed better then the cows!
    @Mill Cove Treasures Appreciate the date link. I will bookmark it.

    Been trying to figure out the signature, but haven't found it yet.
    I sure hope I can own this within my budget!
     
  7. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Bdigger, I do like the cows, but I also like the one that you showed better!
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is stunning, Bdigger, I love it.
    I only logged in for a short visit, to see something else, so I am not going to look up dates and other marks now, but here is the general info:
    The marks on the back indicate the manufacturer, de Porceleyne Fles, founded in 1653, and the date and maker.
    In the 19th century Thooft and Labouchere took the company into a new, much more artistic direction, theirs is the round stamp.
    The siggy on the front says "naar L. Apol", which means it is painted after an original by Louis Apol. Louis Apol was a painter of the Dutch 'Haagse School', the The Hague School, second half of the 19th century. (My uncle's favourite painter :))
    I know he painted this winterscene with a cart in a tree-lined lane several times, from slightly different angles. If someone hasn't found this particular one by the I wake up again, I'll look for it.:)
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2020
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!


    Your short visits are better by far...than most of others long visits !!!
    ( some notable exceptions , of course !! :happy::happy:)
     
  10. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    :shy::kiss:
     
  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Bdigger, I haven't been able to find the decorator, maybe @say_it_slowly will. The year code is for 1906, as Mill Cove said.

    I haven't found the Louis Apol original either, and wonder if it is artistic licence, combining two Apol paintings.
    Like these two for instance:

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  13. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I can add to the very good information you already have from what is found in Van Hook's book Discovering Dutch Delftware.

    The back of your plate, in addition to the AB date mark for 1906 as already noted, has the initials for two artists. Van Hook says that when two artist's initials appear it usually means that one painted the central scene and the other painted the border decoration.

    I found these which I believe are your two artist's initials. The dates with each indicate the years they worked at the factory and both cover the date of your lovely plaque.

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  14. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Too add a bit more, De Porceleyne Fles (The Porcelain Bottle) has a bottle/pot mark and below a painted "F" script looking mark which is actually an overlapping JT for the names Joost and Thooft who began the modern version of the factory. The names Joost, Thooft and Labouchere appeared on pieces to denote the collaboration between those three with the circular impression discontinued by 1916. The other painted number, 129, he says would probably have been a kiln number at that time.
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2020
  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    De Porceleyne Fles means the Porcelain Bottle.:) The Dutch word for porcelain is not too different from the English one.;)
    Porceleyn is old spelling though.
     
  16. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Beautiful piece. I love all Winter scenes..............
     
  17. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Apologies, he does say porcelain (which I did know) and I've corrected it. I think I meant to type painted first as how it was done but need another cup of coffee.

    (I considered trying to learn Dutch at one time as I kept having to translate bits to find out information. One of my daughters was dating a boy who's mother was Dutch and sometime she helped translate. That was awhile back and that boyfriend is long gone.)
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2020
  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Enjoy.:)
     
  19. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    I don't know how often you bid at auctions, but @James Conrad gave me this advice. Know the maximum amount you are going to bid and stop at that number. Wait until the live bidding is ready to finish and hold your finger over the button. When you think the hammer is going down for the last time, then bid. I think you will face some stiff competition for this piece, so you need to be mentally prepared in my opinion - to have a strategy. I sincerely wish you luck. It's very lovely.
     
  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    As my father used to say, Dutch is easy, even little children speak it.:hilarious:

    If you ever need help translating something, just ask.:)
    And if you decide to learn Dutch, you can always pm me for a beginner's conversation in Dutch, and I'll throw in some Dutch ceramics terms.;) Oops, I meant Nederlandse keramiektermen. See, not very difficult.:playful:
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2020
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