Featured Betjemann's Tantalus

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Marote, Apr 22, 2025.

  1. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    Picked this up this afternoon
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    Unfortunately the key is missing, one bit of one of the stoppers is missing (but it still closes off the decanter nicely) and one decanter has a chipped rim.
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    I haven't been able to find any info with the patent no.
    And I didn't find any info on Sportclub Lebong, that had this as a 1st price for English Billiards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_billiards)
     
  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    nice historic set !!!!!
     
  3. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I think the inscription is Dutch. First prize in English Billiards, class A. This may have been exported and inscribed there.
     
  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I believe Lebong is in India and Indonesia
    The script looks Dutch, maybe Dutch East Indies
     
  5. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    That would make total sense, at least to me.
     
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  6. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

  7. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Now, if you had a gasogene, you could pretend you were Sherlock Holmes.
     
  8. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    It is indeed Dutch, with the old spelling of 'English' (now it would be 'Engels' instead of 'Engelsch'), and I'm not sure if 'Biljard' is an old spelling, or if it's incorrect, because the spelling in Dutch is 'biljart'. 'Biljard' in Dutch is a quadrillion.

    I had seen that there's a Lebong in Indonesia, so Dutch East Indies makes sense, but I didn't find any information on the club. I only found a 'Gaspool Billiard Lebong', but I have no idea if there's any connection between the 2.
     
  9. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    I had never heard of a gasogene ... but now I want one! :D
     
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  10. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Bronwen nailed it-there's a gasogene at 221 B Baker St.You can usually find them on Ebay,they made quite a few of them into lamp bases.
     
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  11. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    The golden name "Betjemann" it should be silver plated and come up a treat, do you think the strapwork at the bottom has been changed? Looks a little straight forward than normal?
     
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  12. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    The seller said it tested silver.

    I didn't notice anything odd with it, but I'll have to check that tomorrow.
     
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  13. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

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  14. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Would it be silver or plate ? Either way- blasted handsome article-well done Mar !
     
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  15. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    English made with Indonesian Dutch markings; that has to be a rarity. I don't know if it's valuable, but it's rare.
     
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  16. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Ditto Ruth-Some items are so rare and arcane there's no audience for them but one or two-but they're still an amazing item.
     
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  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    If they're rare enough, no one knows they exist so no one is looking.
     
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  18. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    There is also a tantalus.

    Sometimes colonies hang on to earlier spellings/pronunciations when language in the home country has moved on. That may be the case here. You won't hear 'gotten' in England, but it's standard usage in the US.
     
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  19. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Yep-verily 'gotten' is still in common usage stateside . Tantalus is derived from the cursed King Tantalus in Greek Mythology.
     
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  20. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    It would be the perfect name if they glued the stoppers in so you couldn't get at the booze! This is both tempting & convenient.
     
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