Meiji or MCM or other vase ?

A 11 7/8" vase with quite the patina,no sig and seems a soldered on base (?). Could be Meiji,or maybe MCM Hollywood Regency-any speculations ?
Not certain if it's brass or bronze (or some oddball Japanese combo).
Any/all comments welcome.

 

THe shape is singing Japanese at me, and I rather like what they've done with the place. If it's bronze, the blue can't be good news unless it's meant to be there.

 

It could be Chinese.

Those encrustations suggest more than just patina, but the base doesn't match the archaeological look.
Is any of the bright blue-green or sandy stuff powdery? Does any of it come off on your fingers as coloured dust?

 

There was a thick, but old bead of glue/epoxy around the base seam,perhaps applied to secure the new section as a patch or seal a water leak.The patch bead flaked right off when I probed w/ my finger nail.
None of the patina flakes or powders off, sections of the patination look burned (burrowed) into the base metal (?).
PS-It looks like someone burnished the base disc.Here's a closeup of the seam crack,nearest foreground.

 

its an interesting thing for sure and cool looking....don't know if i believe it though

the thing that concerns me about it is the scoring marks to the base, that to me looks very hastily done to achieve something......what......i have no idea

 

What an odd little piece-more closeups of encrustation & corrosion.
Chas-Some kind of patch job perhaps.I'd suspect the patch may not have been made by the original artisan (maybe) ?

 

If I unnerstand that correctly, those scratch marks on the bottom just may have been made by the person trying to seal the seam...cleaning the area prior to application of the goop you flaked off...a well-intentioned but inept effort.

 

Ditto Whit-one would imagine a good forger wouldn't superglue on a base, but some naive farmer or backhoe operator digging stuff up might !
Sure wish I had an illuminated endoscopy attachment I could stick on my phone so I could peer inside.

 

good point, if the base has been tinkered with then the scratches could be innocent for sure

 

Logical Chas-but why tinker with the base, damage,peek inside, or absurdly bad craftsmanship, a definite conundrum?

 

Gotta be an app for that, Bosko...

 

I think AJ's comment is key. Does any of this come off as dust or flakes? If yes, there are major condition issues. Can't help with place of origin. The coloration has an interest effect either way.

 

Imho the patina is what the Japanese called patinated bronze. The patina was added.
They were probably mid century.
Mikey

 

If the encrustation is the result of a natural process, like on archaeological finds, some tiny particles will come off as powdery dust. If it is fake encrustation it won't. Fakers often use glue to stick clay and dirt on fake bronzes.

The footring is too crisp to be as old as the encrustation suggests. But it all makes sense if the encrustation is glued on.

It is a lovely shape though.

 

Thanks All for the great help you've been on this piece ! It's amazing what the modern Japanese & Chinese can do with patinas.