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New buy and would like to know the artist and maybe more works by him or hers . So help needed and thanks already

 

I read J.P. Gentenaar.
I can only find a Peter Gentenaar whose work is much too recent and very different. Could be a relative though.

 

Welcome back Gers- Nice sketch (may have some age). Can you remove the piece form the frame and hold it up to a light to see if the paper has a datable watermark ?
Did you ever find anything out about those paintings by Joloko ?

 

Thank you both for the response and yes I took it with some blood sweat and tears out the old frame and this is the watermark in it . Looks Amsterdam origine

 

Here's the website for the 'International Associations of Paper Historians' with an online catalog of watermarks catalogs/databases-
https://www.paperhistory.org/Watermark-databases/
PS-Bravo on removing the piece from the framing,good first step on a deeper investigation.Even if this were a presumed Rubens the curators would have to have done it.

 

Thanks and very helpfull database and keep it in my favorites . Paintings buy Joloko never found anything usefull on it .

 

Agree. It has the complete Amsterdam coat of arms.

 

I know now but there's many variations on this Amsterdam Arms watermark . So the precies date is difficult as is but I found out the the most likely is from around 1700 in this watermark . So next step is to find out the artist where he lived and when off course . RKD has no Gentenaar from that time in there files . If thats the name off course I read . So watermark and artist and maybe the woman's face could be linking to a painting as it looks like a study drawing in this red chalk

 

I agree, it is a study, and it looks 18th century.
Google showed me the ad of yours on marktplaats. Since you already bought it, that is not of any help.

 

I read the same. J. P. Gentenaar.

The same watermark i found in a manuscript in my collection from 1725. I expect the binding a bit older than 1725.



My manuscript also shows this watermark.



In a famous book about water marks (Briquet) there is an entry about your coat of arms of Amsterdam



And an entry about the IPFH water mark



I think we can say with confidence your the paper of your drawing is made in the first half of the 18th century.

 

Thanks and very usefull information and give already a good idea when made . Now the difficult task to get to the artist who made the drawing and who he or she was . Took the drawing out again and no other watermark like the initials I could trace on it . But maybe the drawing has been reduced in size to fit the frame maybe and that part has been lost now . But very happy with your post as is off course .

About the name Gentenaar would be somebody from Gent Belgium and named from where he came from . So whas it his proper name given or made up from his place off birth maybe with his first names in the initials ?

So maybe a artist with this initials but maybe other real name ? Shot in the dark maybe but ?

 

There are people named Gentenaar in the Netherlands. It is likely that their ancestors came from Gent, maybe during the 80 years war when many Flemish and Brabanders fled north. But it could also have been earlier or later.

Vincent van Gogh was also Dutch, as was his father, even though the town of Goch is in Germany. Same goes for many other names we recognize as Dutch.

 

I see you have bought your drawing from Marktplaats, so we can assume JP Gentenaar is not someone from South Africa or the US.

I tried to search someone with the initials J.P. and last name in geneanet, but without success unfortunately.

The name Gentenaar is not very super rare in the 18th century in the Netherlands especially in the Randstad:


1947 (CBG Familienamen)



2007


If we look at your drawing, it looks like a typical art-school drawing. This JP Gentenaar could just have been a talentful amateur.

The only thing I can imagine you can do is try to find someone who is busy with the genealogy of the name Gentenaar. I found traces of a guy named Joop Gentenaar, but I don't know if he is still alive (in 2019 he was 88).

 

Thanks and will spend some time on it the coming week . Looks like a long search probaly but going to give it a try .

 

Please let us know what you discover!