Featured Glass Q: Does American Brillant include Canada?

Our eyes have similar histories, although for a time I had one near- and one far-sighted eye. I did not know implanted lenses could be variable. Despite my telling my surgeon, repeatedly, that I spend most of my time reading or examining tiny details on small objects, he went ahead & placed lenses he told me would make TV watching easy. Fortunately, I find I can read most print, work at the computer & watch streaming on it without needing glasses, which I do need for movies.

If we are indeed looking at a signature, I imagine it was done with a diamond tipped tool. Before they had strong artificial illumination or high quality magnification, 2,000 years ago artisans were engraving quartz with this kind of detail:

BnF CdM Achilles kitharoides

This piece is 16mm high, 13mm wide, & convex:



The Metropolitan Museum has a large display of seals from antiquity, and a great many are even smaller than this.

 

Die hard AB collectors/buyers do not include Canadian cut glass when referring to American Brilliant cut glass. @ola402 you are an exception to this They acknowledge them and know they were made during the later end of the time period, but they don't fall under ABG to them. You can have 2 pieces with the same pattern, one cut in Canada and the other cut in the USA, and AB collectors will pay (or used to) a much higher price for the USA one and ignore the Canadian one. Even Canadian pieces cut by a known cutter that came up from the USA to work will never sell for the same amount as one made in the USA. Sadly, Canadians cut glass collectors were never keen to pay big bucks for Canadian pieces.

Roden Bros did the acid etch mark on cut glass not scratches. I've had pieces that took me years to find the mark. You need the right light, angle and a miracle sometimes to find it. Sometimes using a flash to take a photo of the piece will bring the mark to light too
I've attached a photo (that I took from a listing) of their mark in case you aren't sure what to look for

Your dish is lovely

 

could you be thinking of the Hughes Cornflower?

 

Yes! I've been trying to retrieve that info for days. Am I correct? Was that cutting theirs (Roden Bros) and is it the cutting on the OP's celery dish? I've lost so much knowledge in the last few years since I stopped buying/selling. True brain fade.

 

No, it isn't. Answered my own question.

 

lol, true brain fade for me too and this post is proving it lol Hughes was with Roden Bros, started out working with silver and when they started doing cut glass, he trained to do that. I believe the cornflower pattern was created when he was with Roden Bros., but without looking it up, I can't say for sure. He left them and started doing his own cut glass, Hughes cornflower is best known from Imperial Candlewick pieces.
The pattern on the ops piece isn't cornflower.

 

A reply on the American Cut Glass Association discussion said that "it appears to be something done with an electric pen - often used to sign items, or add identifying marks for personal."

 

What is the actual size of the Roden Bros monogram on glass? I did not find it, but maybe I just do not know what I am looking for. Or maybe it is not by Roden but an imitator? I only found the tiny mark because I ran a fingernail over it, & it "caught" slightly. I did not even feel it when I ran my thumb over the bottom.

 

This is a real education in the difficulties of identifying cut glass. I used Google Lens. Most of their matches were nonsense, but one did appear that looked like my piece. The owner said it had a Roden Bros. mark (but no picture), so I searched for Roden Brothers history and found the 1917 catalog. I was so excited that I actually found a match in the catalog! But the size is different (10 3/4 inches for mine, 11 1/4 inches in RB 1917 catalog). (The Clematis pattern appears on other pieces in the catalog with different numbers of petals.) I found a 10 3/4 " celery tray on another page, but the pattern was totally different (stars, not flowers).

I found this: https://www.ndga.net/articles/cornflower.php on the Hughes Cornflower. No, it is not my flower, which has striations/ lines/ cuts/ incisions through the petal, not just the edges.

 

This is the set that my mother's friend had, although I seem to recall that there were 12 cups. It was a boardie here, sadly, she passed away, who was instrumental in helping me ID the set and finding a buyer for it. It was not in perfect condition, but it sold for a good amount. I did the packing for this and it all arrived safely, thank goodness! But danged if I can recall what the Canadian name is.

 

the Canadian name is Norman

 

Yes, that's it!