Featured Whiting and Davis snake bracelet?

Am wondering if this is authentic Whiting and Davis and if so when might it have been made.

There is a stamp under the head marked Whiting & Davis co.

Thank you all for any help and info.

 

The internet says your bracelet is widely faked and the mark should read 'Whiting & Davis Mesh Bags Co.'

Debora

 

Thanks Debora.
Yea i read too that it been faked too.i just found this online too tho which looks like a silver version of my one and the description says it from the 70s and that the gold version is featured in Julia Carrolls book,Costume jewelry 202 , if the seller is to be believed.I dont have access to this book to to check tho.
Thanks again for the help

 

Unfortunately your bracelet is a fake - it's not just the mark, which should have the 'WHITING & DAVIS CO. MESH BAGS' mark, or on the older pieces, a 'W. & D.' stamp. It's not just the mark that's problematic, the quality isn't there - compare it to the design and quality of the head and tail, the much smoother transition to the mesh, and the way the scales of the mesh lay so much flatter on a genuine piece...





Here's a genuine piece:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1776275617/vintage-whiting-davis-silver-serpent




And a beautiful old W. & D. piece:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-mark-d-whiting-davis-gold-1997039074






~Cheryl

 

Thank you for the help and info

 

That’s quite a difference. I had no idea these were widely faked although we (I) don’t think we come across W&D widely in the UK.

 

Sigh. Hello Martin, unfortunately I randomly and mistakenly (I'm looking at you, Google lens) happened upon your post yesterday evening. With great reluctance and against my better judgement, I must inform you that the information you have received thus far is frankly incorrect and inaccurate. Your bracelet was indeed produced by Whiting and Davis, and it dates to the mid 1960s-70s. I chose to tell you this for two reasons: firstly, I am quite certain it was only with the best intentions people provided their "expertise." Even so, I was surprised and taken aback to discover how many individuals have spoken with misplaced authority on the subject of Whiting and Davis snake jewelry, when it is readily apparent (and may be easily proven) they are, quite simply, wrong, and there is no reason I should withhold the truth from you. Secondly, I was (justifiably) horrified to learn someone found it seemly to attempt to disparage my own knowledge and personal character in the comments. It is of little to no consequence to me should you choose to ignore this, and I am thoroughly disgusted with myself for bothering to waste my time "defending" myself when I am in no doubt it was done in a thoughtless fashion. And again, I wish to stress that undoubtedly people took the time to answer your query solely in an attempt to be helpful. However in future I recommend you look elsewhere should you require anything resembling professional information or authentication on a vintage or antique item. (I write this knowing full well it is entirely possible I will be the recipient of much ranting, raving, and foaming at the mouth, but I really and truly hope anyone wishing to reply to this message in the aforesaid manner at least attempt to refrain from doing so. Should said individuals be lacking in self-control and find this ask to be impossible, please know my glee in providing actual verifiable facts in response will be directly proportionate to any base or unwarranted insults to myself or my intelligence. I have no idea as to what you wish to do with your bracelet, but rest assured it is undoubtedly and indisputedly a Whiting and Davis piece. Best regards.)

 

You didn't explain who you are, but I take it you are the seller of the listing Martin posted in reply #3.
Reading the thread, I see no attempt to disparage your knowledge and personal character in any of the comments.
Unfortunately you didn't mention which post made you feel this way. Maybe you referred to this post by the owner of the bracelet:

That is not a reflection on your character. Martin simply didn't know if information found on the internet was true or false, which is valid in this day and age.

Now this is an attempt to disparage the knowledge and personal character of our members. Many of them are very knowledgeable in fields you probably know very little about or haven't even heard of.

How many of these individuals did you actually count? Only one person said Martin's bracelet was a fake. Nowhere did she mention you name or your listing, btw. But if you are of the opinion that she was wrong, please provide evidence to support your claim.

So instead of insulting individual people and lashing out at an entire forum, try to convince us that your assessment of Martin's bracelet is right.
This can be done in the civil tone of the posts before yours, because negativity and attack are never convincing arguments, and we are not that kind of forum.

 

Hey 73...........
". However in future I recommend you look elsewhere should you require anything resembling professional information or authentication on a vintage or antique item."

Pardon me , but you don't know us , and denigrating the whole site on the back of one bracelet in question is uncalled for !

"..
they are, quite simply, wrong, and there is no reason I should withhold the truth from you."

You took the time to join this site to express your hurt feelings , so by all means please continue here , and back up your assertions on the authenticity of the item in question.

"..
it is readily apparent (and may be easily proven) they are, quite simply, wrong,.."

Then please , do so ! , right here , at your leisure !

". . it is undoubtedly and indisputedly...( indisputably .,)..." ... that's just not enough to change hearts & minds ..!

 

I like your prose stylings! Quite enjoyable.

 

Pity she hasn't received any base or unwarranted insults then. We have been a great disappointment.

 

I think that, "my glee in providing actual verifiable facts in response will be directly proportionate to any base or unwarranted insults to myself or my intelligence" may actually mean that the more rude comments we make, the more enthusiastically 'Cora' will provide information about this bracelet.

In that case....

 

So we have been a great disappointment all round.

 

Well, you would certainly recognize "ranting, raving, and foaming at the mouth", since you seem so adept at it, apparently so incensed by what you've perceived as insults to your "own knowledge and personal character" that you angrily and unfairly raged at the entire forum. Despite your warning to refrain from replying, everyone here, regardless of their opinion, certainly has that right and have to wonder why anyone would feel entitled to suggest otherwise.

Wouldn't want you to be deprived of your "glee in providing actual verifiable facts" and proving that it is "undoubtedly and indisputedly [sic] a Whiting and Davis piece", so please have at it. Might keep in mind that there are errors in many reference sources and sales descriptions are quite often just wrong (including a lot of 'unmarked' Whiting & Davis pieces that are clearly not of expected quality). Factual evidence should be something like proof that Whiting & Davis registered that oval mark (it's not present in the U.S. trademark registry), or an advertisement or catalog page showing the same bracelet, or perhaps the same bracelet bearing a proper Whiting & Davis mark, or even an 'Oromesh' mark, a registered trademark they started using in the early '50s...

 

Such an eloquent response... but no provision of the stated "readily apparent", "easily proven", and "actual verifiable facts" and therefore, at least at this point, simply fluff.
I'm open to learning more about W&D snake bracelets so please do tell. Both Martin's example and yours certainly don't show the quality of the other W&D examples in this thread but companies do sometimes lower the quality of their wares over time.

 

The more I look at the bracelet, the more "wrong" it seems. I honestly didn't know anyone had bothered to fake Whiting & Davis, but apparently they did.

 

Coranmbeck73's outrage is truly mysterious, given:

and



and the mark on the bracelet in the listing we presume is theirs:



Think we would have had no difficulty agreeing this one is authentic. But that's not the mark on Martin's bracelet, so...?

 

I think someone took a perfectly fine unmarked snake bracelet and added the fake mark before hitting with goldtone.

 

I will correct myself. The rhodium plated bracelet is not the one whose head I showed, which is, though, another of Coran's listings.

This is from a different seller, but also the rhodium plated version, again with a proper mark:

 

This is not the same bracelet shown in the listing Martin posted a year ago...