Featured Vatican Letter: I Hope it Worked

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by Potteryplease, Mar 15, 2026 at 10:03 PM.

  1. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    This was a curiosity to me, and, fingers crossed, I'm hoping it worked.

    I am finding various people with the same last name, Ahern, in Portland Oregon, but have not yet dialed this in. I'm hoping that @Debora with her insane research skills might be able to (again) help me.

    My wife thinks this is a weird thing to buy, but I'm hoping it turned out well, and that there are relatives around.

    Thanks for looking.


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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Interesting that the stationery is not customized for a particular Vatican Secretary of State or the Pope he served, in this case Pius XII. Very thrifty.
     
  3. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Complicated to be Pope during WW2, for sure.
     
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  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    There were Aherns in Portland including a mother and daughter Mary but the daughter, who seems to be about the right age (b. 1886), had no issue. In terms of etiquette, "Mrs. Mary" would indicate a widow (although it's possible an uneducated woman of the period might refer to herself as such.) The framing may well be contemporary to the letter as Gunnary's was in business as early as the 1940s and telephone exchanges were eliminated in Portland in the mid-1950s.

    Debora
     
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  5. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Thanks @Debora. As always, appreciate your help.
     
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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    My pleasure.

    Debora
     
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  7. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    As a whole, and, as a high school English teacher, it's a helluva single sentence. 68 words, 6 commas, 13 prepositions, and only a couple of adjectives.

    A throughly 19th C sentence, it seems to me.
     
  8. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    It seems that the family would have had such a letter framed because it was a successful intervention. We can hope.
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    today would have been a text..........
    " Pope prayin for ya....stay frosty ! "
     
  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    He had to negotiate a very difficult diplomatic situation but managed to get quite a lot done, given that he harboured thousand Jewish refugees in the Vatican and had to think of the well-being of Catholics in occupied countries as well (Hitler was anti-Catholic). He also managed to get countless visas for Jews in occupied countries.
     
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  11. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    There is a second Mary Ahern of an appropriate age who lived in Portland. Her entry in the 1950 U.S. census shows her as a widow, born about 1882, living with one daughter and a sister with the last name of Brown.

    There is a record in Find A Grave for Mary Agnes (Brown) Ahern. See https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/120712389/mary-agnes-ahern

    She lived from 1882-1960, and is the same person listed in the 1950 census. Somebody copied a brief obituary into the Find A Grave record. It says she was survived by four children, all four of whom have memorial records in Find A Grave. (It is possible that there were other children who died earlier. Find A Grave is a volunteer project, and is never considered to be complete.)

    The records of the four children in Find A Grave also include some obituaries at times. At least one of them was survived by children. So this Mary did have grandchildren. Also, her husband died in 1941, so the "Mrs. Mary" did indicate that she was a widow.

    The other Mary Ahern also has a memorial in Find A Grave. Her name there is listed as Mary J "Minnie" Ahern. It appears that she was not married, and had no children, as @Debora determined. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44627881/mary-j-ahern
     
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  12. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Great information! I didn't find her but she seems like a great fit for what we know.

    Debora
     
  13. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    Thank you @Figtree3! Wonderful information.
     
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  14. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    At the same time as managing the hundreds of millions of Swiss francs worth of looted Jewish gold that was held in Vatican-controlled Swiss bank accounts:rolleyes:
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Maybe you mean the wartime memo from a US civil servant in which it was suggested the Vatican played a role in channelling Serbian and Jewish funds from Ustasha-controlled (Croatian fascist) wartime Yugoslavia to South America? I haven't heard of a Swiss connection, but it is something that needs to be investigated further anyway.
     
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