Carl Zeiss Fesche early 30’s gunsight scope?

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  1. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    Hi! I was hoping that someone could help me positively Id this military scope, sight. It does have cross hairs when you look through it and a rotating wheel that you can move to look through the different colored lenses. Someone told me it was off a U-boat but I haven’t found anything to support that.
    Any help to what it was exactly used on and to it’s rarity would be greatly appreciated...
     

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  2. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I believe @springfld.arsenal had a similar scope by the same company several years ago, he might comment later.
     
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  3. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Nedinsco s'Gravenhage was founded by Carl Zeiss Jena after WWI in the Netherlands to circumvent the export interdictions of the Verailles treaty.
    it could be used for observing attacking aircraft. if used on submarines - no idea.
     
  4. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

  5. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    Thanx for your input.
     
  6. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I suspect more a single pocket version for officers of a Flak Fernrohr that has about the same angle. 8,3 ° is about the double of the landing angle of civilian aircraft.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. springfld.arsenal

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    It is rare for sure, I’ve never seen another, but I have seen many examples from Zeiss of “only one I’ve ever seen.” Good example of one of many ways Germany lost WWII, namely little standardization. If u could photo the reticlethru the eyepiece, it would help tell purpose. What’s diameter of the objective lens (front lens.)
     
  8. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    who says it was used by the German army ? any proof on the label ?
     
  9. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    Thankyou for the information, I’m currently overseas and won’t be back home until the 14th but I will definitely get the information you want. All I can say for now is when you look through it you can definitely see crosshairs and there is a wheel that you can rotate to view through different colored lenses.
     
  10. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    JMHO.
    ask in a forum where people are around that know the German abbreviations or at least proper German for research.
    I still believe that it's a Flak Monokular that may well have been used by the Marine; attacking airplane came rather low and the filters make sense on sea.
    furthermore that Dutch company also exported to other armies - Argentina, Switzerland and probably secretly to some others. we had similar ones in the mountains when shooting from one valley into the next.
     
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  11. springfld.arsenal

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  12. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    Thankyou for the added information.
     
  13. springfld.arsenal

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    If u r able to take a picture of the reticle thru the lens, it would tell me whether it was an aa gun or an antitank gun. Looking at the sight, that type of telescopic sight is more characteristic of antitank guns than the aa type.
     
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  14. Proven0187

    Proven0187 New Member

    Zeiss make some of the best optics glass money can buy. They are world renowned for rifle optics. Also they have there hand in a lot of industry's. Honestly I wouldn’t rule out survey equipment.
     
  15. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    Objective lense is 3.5cm in diameter. The pics are looking through the sight, so sorry for the poor quality I was using my iPad to take the pics.
     
  16. Decka

    Decka Active Member

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  17. springfld.arsenal

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    First photo shows reticle grid nicely. I have no doubt that you have an anti-tank gunsight.
     
  18. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    So can I say it was definitely used in the field rather than on a naval vessel or sub.
     
  19. springfld.arsenal

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    Yes. The dovetail-type mounting is very typical of a land-based, direct-fire weapon. I’ve never seen it on a shipboard weapon, I think seawater corrosion would be a problem. The coating, joints, bare metal screws, etc. would be eaten by seawater or worse, salt spray, in short order.
     
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  20. Decka

    Decka Active Member

    Thanx for all your help, it’s greatly appreciated..
     
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