Research Question / Early Chinese Porcelain Clue

I purchased a couple of pieces that appear to have some age. Possibly even Ming. I like to do as much research as possible on my own before sharing more pics of the piece.

It appears the scene was first drawn and then painted over (Possibly a clue?). Was this a common practice for early porcelains?

 

(not even close to being an expert here)

The painted decoration is under the glaze. The Glaze Contraction, Peeling loss could be from improper handling prior to it being fired.

https://realrareantiques.com/discol...4dIGMCV3i56g6nM2Y0oowSta79d4CJ7zFkNRjzgKK4QWU

https://realrareantiques.com/antique-porcelain-age-signs/

 

Neither am I an expert, thank you very much for the links. I will share pics of the piece later.

 

Cobalt oxide (the mineral used to create the underglaze blue) is black when first applied, turning blue only during firing. Some combination of the absence of the glaze in that area, the concentration of the cobalt oxide used, and the firing conditions may have resulted in the original black application remaining visible. So, not an "underdrawing".

 

That's actually a fascinating look at the process! I'm looking forward to pix!

 

I agree, it really is a pretty cool peek into the process.

 

Thank you I am not very good with porcelains, but it seems like it actually would be considered an underdrawing.

 

The term refers to any preliminary sketch that is later covered by the finished artwork - a 2-step process. In the case of your porcelain, the black lines were the original painted design and were intended to be the final artwork. They just did not turn blue in that particular area.

 

Ah, ok.. Got ya !

 

Realizing that this 7 1/4" scalloped plate is Japanese rather than Chinese. Have tried to find something comparable and I keep bouncing between Kakiemon and Arita wares. Any help greatly appreciated.

 

similar to sales calling the image "circle of immortals" and this ... https://www.etsy.com/listing/1263413500/antique-japanese-blue-white-plate-men-in

 

Thank you Roaring20's.

I did just find this description for the scene.

"Gathering of Daoist scholars and poets who fled social corruption to live a simple, enlightened life together".

 

That blue certainly look Japanese, rather than Chinese. The painting style doesn't try to copy Ming, Ming brush strokes and outlines are much bolder.
I did think that when I saw the first photo, but wanted to wait until I saw the entire piece.

They had the right idea.