How old is this table?

Discussion in 'Furniture' started by Gatoblanconz, Jul 17, 2026 at 5:04 AM.

  1. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    It was sold as being 19C with original gilding.
    But it was sold by someone who does gilding as a business so it's possible it was touched up.
    The interior is not MDF despite the fact that it looks like MDF but the whole thing is made from a reasonably light timber. The Marble is very heavy but the frame is not.

    Not unhappy with what I got it for but always interested in finding out the history and age of a piece
    I will put more photos below
    Thanks

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  2. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

  3. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    I scratched away at the layer on the internal part that the marble sits on and it seems to have three layers
    The first layer is that kind of ochre/gold matte paint and then underneath that is a thin layer of white plaster and then underneath that is light timber. See this photo here
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  4. Marote

    Marote Well-Known Member

    This one was for sale on Bazaa
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    Described as "19thc French Giltwood Centre Table"
     
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  5. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    Yes it's the exact same one. It was then sold at auction
     
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  6. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Hard saying on something like this. Does show some legitimate age and quality seems better than mid-20th century and later copies. Something about that gesso painted interior gives me pause in saying this is 19th century. I really don't know if this was common practice or not.
     
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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The marble is real marble and thick stone. That alone makes me think this is older, but I have no idea about whodunnint, where or when.
     
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  8. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    Seems more likely common practice earlier than later? Generally quality related details like that get lost over time don't they?
    Ie no one would see underneath ordinarily.
     
  9. Gatoblanconz

    Gatoblanconz Well-Known Member

    This is what I got after putting all of the photos into three professional (ie paid) AI models.
    And then getting them to check each other:

    Collection Record: Rococo Revival Giltwood Centre Table
    Identification
    Object: Centre table (table de milieu) with conforming marble top
    Style: Rococo Revival, in the Louis XV taste
    Origin: Continental, French or Italian. The design vocabulary is French Louis XV, while the execution and the Italian nodular limestone top leave open an Italian workshop working in the French taste for the home or export market.
    Period: c. 1840-1880, most likely third quarter of the 19th century
    Maker: Unattributed

    Historical Context
    The table is a product of the Rococo Revival, the 19th century return to the decorative language of mid-18th century Europe. The revival took hold in France under Louis Philippe in the 1830s and 1840s and reached its peak under the Second Empire (1852-1870), when Empress Eugenie's admiration for the court styles of the Ancien Regime made the Louis XV and Louis XVI manners the height of fashion. Carving and gilding workshops in Paris, and equally in the Italian centres of Venice, Florence and Naples, produced seat furniture, consoles, mirrors and centre tables in the 18th century manner for fashionable drawing rooms, salons and reception interiors, and for a substantial export trade.
    Rococo design emphasised asymmetry, naturalistic ornament, shells, foliage and animated curves, with a deliberate avoidance of straight lines intended to give a sense of movement and lightness despite solid construction. The form of this table derives from mid-18th century Louis XV originals of c. 1730-1760. A table de milieu was made to stand free in the middle of a room rather than against a wall, which is why this example is fully carved and finished on all four sides with no plain back. Nineteenth century versions are distinguished from the 18th century prototypes less by design than by workshop practice: punched matting in the gesso, ochre-painted underframes and shaped marble tops of this kind are all characteristic of the later date.

    Style
    Classic Rococo Revival vocabulary throughout: deeply serpentine outline to the top and frieze, pierced rocaille shell cartouches, C- and S-scrolls, acanthus leafage, a pierced shaped apron flowing into cabriole legs, and curved saltire (X-form) stretchers centred by a carved foliate finial. The decoration is continuous around all four elevations, confirming the centre-table function, and the serpentine profile reads dynamically from every angle, exactly as the style intended.

    Construction
    Frame: carved from a close-grained timber, probably beech (lime or fruitwood possible), worked in sections. The four frieze rails, legs and stretcher arms were carved separately and joined, with the more elaborate cartouches and the stretcher finial carved as applied elements. The principal forms are carved in the wood, with some of the finer surface detail modelled or recut in gesso, and possibly in composition, before gilding.
    Joinery: rails tenoned into the leg posts, stretcher arms let into the legs, and the finial applied at the stretcher crossing, traditional joinery designed to carry the substantial weight of the stone top. Old screw fixings to the underside rails.
    Gesso and gilding: the carved timber was sealed and built up with layers of white gesso (chalk and animal glue) to a smooth ground, then coated with red clay bole and water gilded with gold leaf, the high points burnished to contrast with the matte grounds. The red bole was chosen to lend the leaf a rich, warm undertone. Water gilding of this kind is the quality traditional technique, distinct from oil gilding or bronze paint.
    Punched matting: the recessed frieze panels are decorated with hand-punched, stippled matting worked into the gesso with a punch tool, a hallmark of good 19th century gilded furniture.
    Underframe finish: the underside and inner rails are painted in a matte yellow ochre wash, a standard pragmatic treatment among 19th century Continental makers, sealing the unexposed timber and visually harmonising the non-show surfaces with the gilt exterior.
    Marble: the shaped top is a cream nodular limestone of Botticino or Perlato type, with a pelletal texture and fine tan veining, custom cut with a moulded serpentine edge that mirrors the frame exactly. The underside is left unpolished with tooling marks still visible, consistent with 19th century stone working, and the top rests loose in the frame rebate as originally made.

    Description
    Serpentine moulded marble top above a shaped and pierced frieze carved with recessed panels of hand-punched, stippled matting within moulded borders, each side centred by a prominent pierced rocaille cartouche combining shell forms, stylised foliage and C-scrolls. The apron continues into four sweeping cabriole legs with acanthus-carved shoulders trailing down the knees, joined by reverse-curved saltire stretchers rising to a carved foliate rocaille finial at the crossing, the legs terminating in scrolled French (escargot) toes.

    Dating and Authentication Points
    Water gilding over red bole and white gesso, the quality period technique. Hand-executed punched matting in the frieze panels. Yellow ochre underframe paint, a standard 19th century Continental workshop convention. Marble custom-shaped to the serpentine frame with an unpolished, tool-marked underside, a strong hallmark of 19th century stone masonry. Old screw fixings to the underside rails. Carving finished on all four sides, consistent
    with the centre-table form
     
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