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Some people are happy you got a reply, others are blasé.....

 

Hope you are part of the happy one...?? I do on the side a lot of research...To share with you all..As you can imagine ,I am trying through different channels to find out what is what..And how could I put them for sale anywhere the best way...

 

I am. But I am surprised that someone who thought the jugs were Belgian would say in a rather dismissive way: 'nothing new for me then', when the Princessehof said with certainty that they were German.

Research is always good, and it is very nice that you are willing to share it with us.

 

Thanks to you..!!!!

 

it's always amusing to read the lies and twistings of would-be Europeans without any historical knowledge whatsoever.
Raeren was in the discussed era part of the Herzogtum Limburg, which was itself part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation till 1793. afterwards it was French for a while. it became Belgian in 1920 only.
Frechen that is also mentioned and well-known to anyone with minimal knowledge of the production of European stoneware and saltglaze items was directly taken in by the Prussians after the French occupation and then became German in 1927.
every person with the capability of reading a map properly, sees at first glance that both villages were on the then nearest street from Cologne to the Netherlands. the stoneware from the Westerwald from the other side of the Rhine were directly shipped on the Rhine.

 

Reported.

 

Both Jacques and I are Europeans, as is Drs Karin Gaillard from the Princessehof museum, no would-be about it. All three of us are from countries that are firmly rooted in the European Union.

Words like 'lies and twistings' should be very carefully considered before using them. Are they factually true, is there any evidence?
Think before you write, is an advice I would give to anyone who has a track record. I only have to look at the same post to find evidence of that record, 'would-be Europeans' is of course far from the truth, and it is there for everyone to see.

The Herzogtum (duchy in English) Limburg was actually Hertogdom (duchy) Limburg in the Low Countries.
In both Limburgs and Dutch the name is Hertogdom Limburg, never the German word Herzogtum. If you don't know the language, it is safest to use the English word, since that is the main language of this forum.
There are still provinces in Belgium and The Netherlands bearing the name Limburg, after the old duchy.

Yes, the Low Countries were part of the Holy Roman Empire though not the German part, and yes, Raeren has a complicated history, just like many parts of the southern Low Countries. It became French along with the rest of the southern Low Countries in 1795, and was annexed by Prussia in 1815. It became Belgian in 1920.
When it comes to the pottery, that is certainly related to German pottery, no doubt about it. Many potter's families originally came from Cologne. However, Raeren pottery can usually be discerned from pottery from the German Rhineland.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Limburg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Limburg_(1839–67)

 

Thank you for posting the Duchy of Limburg link, that confirms it, complicated history, not German. The history of the Low Countries is difficult to understand, terms and alliances can be misunderstood very easily.

Regarding the 18th century, the period Drs Galliard mentioned, the relevant part in the link is this:

"After the abdication of Emperor Charles V in 1556, the Burgundian fiefs passed to his son King Philip II of Spain. The measures of the Council of Troubles implemented by Philip's stern governor, the Duke of Alba, sparked the Eighty Years' War, ended by the 1648 Peace of Westphalia. An area known as Limburg of the States, consisting of parts of Overmaas (but no part of the Duchy of Limburg itself), was ceded to the Dutch Republic. In 1661, the Dutch and the Spanish agreed on a re-partition of the county of Dalhem. The duchy of Limburg itself remained undivided under Spanish Habsburg rule as part of the Southern Netherlands, passing to the Austrian Habsburgs under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.
When the region was occupied by the French in 1794,...."

The Eighty Years' War was between the Low Countries and Habsburg Spain. The Council of Troubles were the start of that war.

The second link is interesting, but does not concern the period these jugs were made in.

 

Big BRAVO..!!!! Love it Big Time..!!!! You are a legend...!!!! Could see You more The Conservator at Guetti Museum LA ....than other ...!!!!..Now ,my last aquisition..Might be like a Quiz....Bought it...But thought it was something else...But no regrets at all...Let's see how it goes..Just for the Craik....JB

 

Part of my family is from that region, the Rhine-Meuse region, and for the sake of genealogy I have had to find out more over the years.
I live in the southeastern Netherlands, also called the Burgundian Netherlands, and you wouldn't believe how complicated the history here is. Some tiny parts were even formally owned by the king of Sweden, even though no Swede ever set foot there. It is no wonder Fid got confused, but that is no excuse for bad behaviour.

Again, looking forward.

 

Now...!!!!! And hope you will be the One...!!!!

 

I just saw it, beautiful! But I'm afraid I will have to disappoint you, not my area of expertise.

 

...I do know now..what MM is signed for..But as I am sure you know as well ..Leave please the unfortunate Wet blanket unpolite and unfaithful members to come with Connoisseur Comments on this tread..!!!..JB

 

Oh God....Anyway let's see...Will of course let you know..!!! jb