Modern Painting on Silk - Artist and Translation Help

Discussion in 'Art' started by KikoBlueEyes, Feb 29, 2020.

  1. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    I would really appreciate some help in identifying the artist's name and title of this painting on silk, or at least to be sent to a location when artist's seals/chops etc. can be looked up. I bought it to hang over my mantel after my cats destroyed the previous lithograph by knocking it off the hanger and scratching the surface when the glass broke. It's a temporary piece, but I really liked the movement across the field and the colors. It could just be a décor piece. I don't know. I thought I would ask for some help. @JayBee @Mat or maybe someone else.

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  2. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    The chop mark look embroidered...are the letters as well? Are you sure it is a paintings...take out a magnifying glass...if you see threads on the horses or brush strokes or if it is a print you will see :::: matrix.
     
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  3. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    You are great. I just looked at the grass when I bought it, but I think it is a mix. The grass appears painted and the horses embroidered! What do you think - other than the glass needs cleaning.

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  4. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    I think it is well done...can we see the back? Do you know where this originally came from? ie...thrift store antique store? Not the run of the mill tourist stuff.
     
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  5. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    I'll have to take it down to photo the back. I bought it at a resale shop that often has higher end things, but also a lot of décor stuff.
     
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  6. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    功咸刭馬

    As from wikipedia: 功咸 Gong Xian was a scholar loyal to the fallen Ming dynasty.
    刭馬 Horses

    When written this way it tends to means it is an image of horses in the style of Gong Xian. Though this may not always be the case, as the person creating the artwork could simply add the text regardless.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I beg to differ. It is nice, but machine embroidered, and made as a decorative piece/souvenir.
    It depicts the famous 'Eight Horses of Wang Mu', just like this one:

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    The story in a nutshell:
    http://gotheborg.com/glossary/eighthorsesofwangmu.shtml
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Agree, just like marks on Chinese porcelain.
     
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  9. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    The red 'stamp' is small Seal Script, an ancient form of Chinese writing.
    I have a 753 page document listing a great many of these Seal Script characters side by side with the modern day counterparts, making for much easier translation.

    I just remembered I have it on link for download at:
    unicode.org/wg2/docs/n4688%20Small%20Seal%20Script.zip
     
  10. necollectors

    necollectors Well-Known Member

    What I meant by not your usual tourist stuff is it doesn't depict Chinese landmarks etc. It is not old(pretty sure), and it very well may be machined... but usually machined is pretty accurate stitches, from what I can see they aren't. The chop mark for example isn't tight or accurate. JMHO. I do know they sell these NEW somewhere online, I have seen 'similar'.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-10...03722426?hash=item5b6ef743ba:g:mGkAAOSw-HxdCL
     
  11. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much for this. :happy::happy::happy::happy::happy: This was what I was looking for to understand what the artist was trying to communicate in the characters.
     
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  12. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Wonderful link. Adds hugely to my appreciation of the piece. Thank you very much!
     
  13. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    I wasn't sure about the purpose. Thanks for confirming.
     
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  14. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Astonishing resource. Thank you so much for this. This could be very helpful in comparing older pieces with newer ones - being able to identify old versus new characters.
     
  15. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    I very much appreciate your thoughts and comments. My goal in purchasing this piece was to cover up a large prominent space in my living room with something that was interesting, attractive and colorful until I could find something permanent. I used to have a beautiful lithograph of flower sellers, but I was loathe to rehang it after it was damaged. The space has been empty for months. I have a number of Chinese silk embroideries - about 30% reproductions and the rest - antique. The "vintage" ones have a characteristic bigger stitch like this but were hand done. While I can't tell without taking it apart whether it is machine or hand made, it is looks modern to me. Your link is to a work with a similar theme and colors and claims to be hand made.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Claims by Chinese ebay sellers are usually to be taken with a grain of salt. Or a whole bag.:playful:
     
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  17. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    I do have other documents which show such comparison with Egyptian hieroglyphs, ancient Bone Script, and a variety of others, if it ever comes up.
     
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  18. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    That's wonderful. Perhaps, you could set up a post in the Support forum with the links.
     
  19. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Sure. I know this. I have a big shovel! :D
     
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