Featured APB? Low Dish - Mark?

I have a few pieces of cut glass that were my mother's, her mother's and possibly the next mother back (my great grandmother.) I have tried off and on to see if I could find any marks, but have only found 1 "maybe" mark, shown in the attached picture (which I know is not the greatest, but it's the best I could do.) The mark in on a low dish, 7 inches in diameter and about 1.5 inches tall, with no handle. Without a handle does this qualify to be called a nappy?

The "mark" is located on one of the larger cut and polished surfaces on the outside, near the point at which the dish rests on the table. This picture makes it look like an A, but when I first saw it, it looked more like a C with a slight bump-out on it's back.

I have Martha Louise Swan's "American Cut and Engraved Glass" but do not see anything in her section of marks that this could match. I have also attached a picture of the main cutting motif which repeats around the outside. The bright line on the left side is a reflection and not a crack.

Is there any chance the maker can be identified? TIA

 

Yes...it can still be called a nappy...
The "mark" does not look like anything I have seen...and not sure it is a "mark".
The pattern is a nice one...so surely by a good maker/company..though I can't ID . Will look at my books later..

 

Thanks, janette. The "mark" looked more "defined" to my eyes. I was surprised it did not look sharper in the camera lens. And it doesn't "wipe off," as it would if it were a water spot. So I don't know what think.

 

Bakersgma, I am of no help on this but just curious . . .

Do any others here think that Bakersgma's second (close-up of "low dish") photo looks like the upper part of an owl's head???

 

I had not thought about it until now, yourturn!

 

and that is why I know I have seen this pattern before....but can't remember where

 

I took those 2 pics over a year ago and realized that it might be helpful to show more of the design. But my camera battery is dead, so by the time it charges up, the light will be gone. I'll try again tomorrow. The center of the dish is a six-pointed star, very deeply cut underneath.

 

Lovely dish! I haven't any help in IDing this dish yet. I do have several books on ABC glass, but am challenged in matching one of these designs to a pic in one of these books. As Greg said recently in a thread, Jennisee is missed
https://www.antiquers.com/threads/american-brilliant-cut-glass.12719/#post-180473)

She IDed a cut glass bowl of my grandmother's that my mother & I had tried to do for literally decades. Sue, a pic of the whole dish looking down into it mighttttt (can't promise) helped this glass challenged old broad ID it.

--- Susan

 

Oh my gosh!! I think I found it in Bill and Louise Boggess' Identifying American Brilliant Cut Glass, 5th Edition with Updated Price Guide, copyright 2005, page 55, fig P 192 - Chapter 2 "Matching Pattern," Section The Motifs: Stars. The pattern is called "Joan" by Straus. It is a pic of a low bowl. It has a star in the bottom with the same pointed loops with hobstars, the 4 mitres between the pointed hoops and looks like the same scallop edge. The description says:

"P 193. A low bowl with elongated hobstars and raised star in the center. Joan by Straus"

I want to do a scan of the pic, but aT the moment we are having big problems with our desktop. I will have to scan it through my laptop, which I haven't ever used used to scan before now. The pic in the book is way too small to take with camera. With a scan, can really zoom in on it. It will be this PM before trying a scan.

--- Susan

 

I just checked my copy of that book (but 4th edition) and I think you nailed it...!
BTW..fourth edition does not give pattern or maker..

 

Can't wait to see the scan! Thanks to both of you!

BTW, it's still too early take an overall picture, but at least the camera is ready to go.

 

Here it is in a deep bowl.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/abp-american-brilliant-cut-glass-1821408401

--- Susan

 

BINGO!!

 

Weird. I checked Best Answer for Susan's link in post #12. Although I see that it "took" (under the post it now says "Unmark Best Answer" on my screen) there's no big green badge. Can anyone else see it or is it just me?

 

Here's the scan from the Boggess' book. Do hope the book is right for that bowl on Worthpoint is the only piece I can find online. It used this same book as source. I could not find the pattern in the special catalog, Rich Cut Glass Straus-Macy Catalog, published in 2005 as a "joint effort of the ACGA Catalog Committee and the ACGA Research and Information Committee regarding the Straus Rich Cut Glass of the R.H. Macy & Co. department store and importing firm of L. Straus & Sons. This catalog presents 92 patterns not in the ACGA's 1893 L. Straus & Sons catalog..."

--- Susan



Edit: On the following website about L. Straus glass at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, listed at the bottom of the page are the patterns for the glass. One was for #37,353 Joan by Hermann Siegel.
"37,353 / “Joan” / Hermann Siegel / 27 Jan 1905 / 28 Feb 1905 (*)"
http://www.brilliantglass.com/straus/jim-havens-write-up/

Then I found in a 1905 Official Gazette of US Patent Office, p. 96, the following listing:
"Seigel, Hermann, assignor to L. Straus & SOns, New York, N.Y. Glass vessel ..... [patent No.] 37.353 Feb 28"

https://books.google.com/books?id=z...QAhUEilQKHeF6AxQQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

For the life of me I can't find the actual patent.

 

That is definitely the same bowl, Susan.

I just went through all the Straus entries in my Swan book, and although there was a nice bio of the company (which also mentioned that they used paper labels more than their acid-etched star inside a circle), she has no picture of this bowl or any reference to a Joan pattern.

 

More info....Joan pattern (L,Strauss & Sons)...patented Feb 28,1905 by Hermann Siegel. p.118 American Cut and Engraved Glass by Albert Christian Revi

 

Excellent, janette! That probably means that my bowl actually belonged to my great grandmother!! (I was pretty sure, but it really helps to have the date.)

 

Out of curiosity, is this Straus the same L. Straus and Son that imported china? I also have a partial set of china I've always assumed belonged to the same great grandmother, marked with that firm's importer mark.

 

Yes.

http://www.brilliantglass.com/straus/craig-carlson-write-up/l-straus-sons-and-its-history/

--- Susan