1900-O Morgan Dollar - Two raised lines on back

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  1. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    Not sure where to post this, but wonder if anyone can comment on the reverse side of this 1900-O Morgan Dollar. It came in today, and what caught my attention was two lines on the back just to the right of the wing. They are not dings into the surface, but actually raised above the surface. I know there are die variations on Morgan Silver Dollars, but wonder if this variety has been seen before? Thanks for any help! ... Dave
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  2. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Looks like scraps that got infused into it to me.
    May add substantially to value.
    You may need an appraiser. How about our sister site?
     
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  3. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    I'll look for my Morgan dollar book, it has every known die marking. Look like filings got stamped into this piece as KOT said.
    greg
     
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  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I don't know much about minting coins, but wouldn't those lines have had to have been in the die? There's no subsequent process that could add them, is there? (At least not legally.)
     
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  5. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Die chips.
    Damage has been caused to the die causing grooves which come out in reverse on the coin as raised.
     
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  6. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    'have had to have been' What conjugation is that?
     
  7. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    The coin looks circulated. Wouldn't something like that cause the die to be taken out of service, and shouldn't any coins produced have been scrapped?
     
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  8. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    Thanks gregsglass - I did learn researching this that there are many die variations that some people specialize in collecting (see http://www.vamworld.com/). Some, even with pictures, are hard to see, but this one is somewhat unusual because it is obvious to the naked eye.
     
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  9. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    In most countries yes but not the USA, that is why there are so many errors and varieties and the collectors that go with it.
     
  10. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    What's weird is just 2 hours ago I was going through a bunch of Old Morgan Silver dollars I got from my dad's collection, trying to determine if any were worthwhile. Now I'm just confused LOL. Anyway I do have a 1900 -O but it does not have those marks on it,
     
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  11. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    I'd swear I am here.... ;)
     
  12. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    I usually figure that the run of the mill circulated Morgans are worth $25 or so for their silver value (although with some premium over straight scrap). CC / Carson City mint marks usually do much better. I rarely see any graded or slabbed coins. If you google Morgan Key Dates, you can find out the more valuable date/mint combinations.
     
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  13. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    Hey KOT - what's the sister site?
     
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  14. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    He means CoinTalk.com but they will just tell you what I did, its a die chip, quite common in the US and probably worth a little more in the US.
     
  15. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

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  16. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    Ok dd, thank you. Sounds like I could just list it on eBay, and let the market determine the price, and maybe it would go for a bit more.
     
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  17. gimbler-dave

    gimbler-dave Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the link dd - will follow up in the morning. About to head out in a few minutes.
     
  18. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Don't mean to hijack this thread, but since we are talking coins here, I was wondering about this 1857 Flying Eagle Penny I found among my dad's coins. I have looked online and found some interesting results. This Penny seems to be in better condition then almost all others I have seen. Is it worth getting graded?
    Here is a current eBay listing for one.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-Flying...764822?hash=item5694de0196:g:rKEAAOSw3v5YnmBv

    Here is mine
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    This is a picture of the notes my dad made on it. It's all greek to me.
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  19. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    It does appear to have a clash near the 7 of the date.

    This variety of coin is heavily counterfeited in China and imported into the USA, it does look a bit to good to be true.

    I would take it to a reputable coin shop and get it checked out, refuse any offers to buy it until certain.
    In that condition if genuine it could be between $7500 and $25,000
    http://www.pcgs.com/prices/priceguidedetail.aspx?c=664
     
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  20. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    BTW here is mine.

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