1900-O Morgan Dollar - Two raised lines on back

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by gimbler-dave, Feb 18, 2017.

  1. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    WOW! What would they be looking for in Checking it out?
    Thank you Davey! BTW what does clashed mean? is that what the note on it says?
     
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  2. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Exact weight in grams (4.67g) exact diameter (19mm) metal composition .880 copper, .120 nickel.

    A die clash is a type of error coin that occurs when two coin dies — the obverse and reverse dies — come together without a coin between them. Die clashes occur every now and then. When the United States Mint notices this problem, the dies are fixed or replaced and coin production resumes as usual.
     
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  3. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful Flying Eagle Cent - I collect those: so far I have 41, Just got 3 more off of Ebay for a damn good price!

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  4. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Thank you Davey! I will have it checked out! I googled die clashes. I would NEVER spot something like that unless totally obvious! Thank you for your help! Keeping my fingers crossed!
     
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  5. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    I collect Squatting Beagle coins......
    Still looking for my first.
    :wideyed::banghead:
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    BD...I'm not a seasoned collector of coins...but yours says Brilliant Uncirculated...& I think someone took an old coin and polished the hell out of it...

    your eagle is muddy and faded as are the leaves top left.......
     
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  7. Joe2007

    Joe2007 Collector

    I don't collect Morgans heavily but I've never seen a Die Crack, Break, Scratch, or Gouge like the one shown on the gambler-dave's coin leading me to believe that this is PMD (post mint damage). Cutting a coin with a knife can leave raised metal like this. The error coin specialists at CoinTalk could settle this quickly, it might be worth a post there.
     
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  8. Joe2007

    Joe2007 Collector

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but this coin looks heavily polished. There is a lot of detail missing on the obverse in the wings of the eagle. Looks like your dad must have purchased it at a coin auction since the lot# is still on the 2x2.
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Hey...u just copied what I said....that's not bad news...it's worse...confirmation !!

    Bahaha!!!

    Sorry Bdigger....it looks legit....just not a high a grade as it claims.
     
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  10. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The obverse is the side that has been die clashed so that would be quite reasonable for areas to be missing or altered.
    The reverse looks Unc.
    The coin has been photographed under polythene/myler and is showing reflections and distorted light.
    I think we should wait until it is removed from the holder and examined properly in hand.
     
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  11. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    I agree with Davey. You can not offer a true evaluation through a photo especially while in a holder. Take it to a LARGE dealer, not your little local guys. I see some extra money for you. My Gramp started a stamp collection and was not too keen on it, neither was my father but he added some nice pieces to it. It got it when I was 12, did not do anything much until I was 30. That is when I found a 3000 dollar stamp and quickly sold it. You never know in these types of collections.
    greg
     
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  12. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    What's the size of those cents? People who sell coins and stamps never give the size. Are you just supposed to know, or is that information considered irrelevant?

    I was considering an online coin purchase because I really liked the design (not a coin collector). I followed a few to get an idea of price, which was expensive enough but manageable. Based on photos, I was imagining a coin the size of a silver dollar. Then someone posted a photo in which they were holding the coin. It was about the size of a dime. That made it too expensive to consider. I'd need a magnifying glass just to look at the thing, and I would never be happy looking at it and knowing what it cost.
     
  13. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Question.......There are a couple local coin dealers....and living near Tampa, I'm sure there are some large dealers, although I do not know which would be reputable or not, or which would be able to authenticate it. Would it not be better to send it right to a grading firm like PCGS......and how would I accomplish that? Sorry for the dumb questions......but I am totally out of my comfort zone here.

    Also, does being clashed add or detract from value?
     
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  14. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Exact weight in grams (4.67g) exact diameter (19mm) metal composition .880 copper, .120 nickel
    Same diameter as a Lincoln Cent but 1.56 grams heavier and a tad thicker.
     
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  15. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I`ve never used a third party grading company, they are not popular outside the US.
    US coin dealers who are members of PCGS can send them off for you using their account.
    Look up the biggest dealers near to you, use Yelp to assist, if they are PCGS approved then they should be trustworthy.
     
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  16. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Thanks Davey.
    Now. I have taken the coin out of the holder and taken the best pictures I can manage. Here they are:
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  17. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    It may have been polished or dipped IMO

    You can see an imprint from the reverse on the obverse.
    The obverse is the front with the eagle.

    There is an impression of part of the wreath from the reverse near the tail of the bird. That is the clash.
     
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  18. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    so are those good or bad things? Is it still worth investigating?
     
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  19. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Oh to dream....to have a really valuable coin!!!!! Anyway, in going back and forth, and back and forth, etc., it looks like Davey's coin has the BEST definition of the wreath, out of all coins shown!!! Just my observation....fun watching:):):) and learning!!!
     
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  20. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Well cleaning reduces the value, dipping is an accepted form of restoration in the US but nothing is better than original state.
    The die clash does add value.
    The areas arrowed in red are where I can see the clashes.
    Imagine putting the reverse of one coin onto the obverse of another and applying heavy force or pressure then you get a mirror impression of one on the other.

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