Please help identify mark and age.

CLuttered for you I have enlarged two graphics showing information from the aforementioned paid data base. These are the most relevant to me. The first one is gold anchor and they say its a decorators mark, neither Chelsea or Edme that its from Germany from 1880s to 1920s I think. The second one is the red and they say thats Edme well you can read the rest

 

Well OK nobody really knows at this point. But it does say that one person was willing to pay $100 for a piece labeled at "Edme Samson." Persumably someone doesnt pay that much money for something without it having some value. But we dont really know.

But put that aside, those are just meant to show examples. I am just learning. All Im saying is that what the paid data base is saying, and one would think they try to get it right.

 

Are you the owner of that database?

 

But I thought the suggestion above was that a GERMAN company did the original mold of the dog and stamped and/or painted a German donut mark on it.

RIght? That makes sense. There was some mention of international export and I thought that was what this was referring to.

So my thought was someone in Paris obtained these German figures that were unpainted. Then they painted them and added their own Anchor to them.

Again I am just learning. I only have my logic and some basic info to go on. Your turn ..

 

no.

 

That's possible, but to export them they would then have to put France on them.
With so many available, I doubt that they were all sold in France.

 

well let me try another suggestion:

The OPs figurine has a gold anchor. The data base says this is a "decorators" mark and it comes from Germany.

So they were made in Germany, and painted in Germany and added a yellow anchor as an homage to Chelsea. If they were trying to make a fake they would have used red.

The red anchor seems to be from Edme. And there was many marks going around, I got confused. There's no reason to think the gold anchor was painted in France.

Make sense?

 

I'm done.
I've tried to explain to the best of my ability.
At this point I think you are just dragging this on.
Have a good day.

 

Something has been bothering me.

To new people reading this thread.
The site mentioned above requires a paid subscription. Be leery of sites that won't disclose who is managing the site or what qualifications they have, or why they organized their site.

There are plenty of free sites that give probably the same information.
At the top of both Pottery/Glass and the Jewelry forums you will find a list of helpful sites.
There are also many FaceBook groups dedicated to specific topics.

 

This has been interesting. lol thanks everyone!

 

old trick. make enough people believe in the 100 % truth of something or someone and the followers won't ask any questions because they had paid for it and they aren't stupid, are they ?
we see it all time right now...

practically all one-man shows on the internet are working like that and are intended to make money in one way or another.
there are of course exceptions like the two Italian sites about silver - Giorgio is a very nice man - and the widely missed ceramics specialist Walter that readily accepted it when he was hinted to a missing mark or signature or regional variation of forms.

 

Maybe it was my mistake to give out the name. I hesitate to post stuff from that site for reasons. But I wanted to try to figure out what was going on. THis why I referred to it initially as "paid site'" but then someone asked me what the name was so I gave it out. I think later I continued to refer to it as paid site.

I hope I havent violated any rules or standards. In the future would it just be better to refer to it as paid site, and then PM someone if they want further details? I really enjoy this site and want to continue to enjoy.

 

I wouldn't know what violation ? it's always better to name your source or to link the site where you found a possible answer.

 

I asked, because most of us link our sources, so others know where we got the information, can read for themselves to determine if what we say is correct. Maybe what we link to will take them to something else and further their learning.

I realize you did not set out to advertise the site. However, I gave the warning to new people about paying for information that is often readily available on the internet.
This site bothered me as there was no About Me page, or anyone claiming to know anything. I did find it registered to one person, no employees and complaints against it.
That's why I posted what I did in Post #49.
Over and done.

 

would be OK to refer to it by name in the future or not? thanks for your help.

 

Oh, what is the truth about marks?

I dunno. But there are a few sites that have seemed reliable and I have used many times: thepotteries.org, Chris’ site, porcelainmarksandmore, and gotheborg.com for Japanese and Chinese marks. I might look at some others, but these ones have helped me the most.

The donut Germany mark was used by myriad German factories in the early 20th c, and often it was the only mark used because it fulfilled the law that country of origin must be marked on the wares (1891 onwards, Made in...from 1921 onwards — more or less as all marking rules were/are not necessarily followed to the letter).

I know little about Samson, Edme or otherwise, except that in the latter 19th c, Samson (a French firm AFAIK) made some good reproductions and used a variety of imitative marks such as pseudo Chinese ones and the Chelsea anchor. This business of using other factories’ marks on goods has a long tradition in porcelain. Meissen crossed swords, Naples coronet, Chelsea anchor, Royal Vienna beehive mark and the Chinese “honorific” marks which put the mark of older dynasties on newer items. But some of these can be antiques in their own right! Fascinating, isn’t it? But I don’t get too fussed about exact dates, I do like to have the right factory if possible, but for most of us, it’s got to be something that appeals.

So please keep posting and ask questions and post links to sites when you are referring to information you get from them.

 

Edme Samson was a decorating studio; like Dresden decorators, and Josef Kuba, etc, they probably used items manufactured from all over the place to do their work on.