Bowl identification help

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by abdel, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. abdel

    abdel Well-Known Member

    Hi, Im a new member, i will start with my new discover, it's an old bowl, i think its very very old and i don't know who made it, and the age.
    Thank you antiquers members.
     

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  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Student pottery would be my guess. I like it.
     
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  3. abdel

    abdel Well-Known Member

    thank you for your help, But i would say that the porcelain is magnetic with black color, and very heavy
     
  4. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    It is not porcelain. Porcelain is translucent. Because of the thickness, unevenness, and type of mark, it's student work.
     
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It looks like it is made using the traditional Japanese Raku technique. Raku is held in high esteem in Japan and among studio potters in the West. It always looks rough and very handmade.
    Yours is probably a western piece. Here is some info on Raku:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raku_ware

    This is a piece from the Raku museum in Kyoto, Japan:
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  6. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Japanese Raku, and American raku (more correctly, post-firing reduction) are not the same.

    Japanese Raku is a family-owned process/ technique/type of pottery developed by the Raku family, and used primarily in the tea ceremony. It dates back to the mid-1500s, although there have been changes over time.

    American raku was developed and promoted by American studio potter Paul Soldner in the 1960s. He had studied in Japan, and with others who also were influenced by Japanese pottery. In his experimenting, he came upon the process that is now called raku (without the capital "R") or American raku, or post-firing reduction.

    The later refers to the chemical reaction that occurs when a pot is taken red-hot from the firing, and placed in a closed container with combustible materials. With reduced amount of oxygen, the clay changes on a molecular level, and results in the unglazed surfaces turning black, and specially-formulated glazes developing often unpredictable, metallic colors.

    Despite the common misconception, it is not smoke that colors the clay. It is the chemical process created by the lack of oxygen that causes the clay to turn black and the glazes to develop the unique colors.

    Japanese Raku is not made this way. The clay body is not turned black, and the pot is not put into combustible material.

    This pot is American raku, and, as stated, (and based on the way it is signed and the form itself) is almost certainly student work. Hundreds of thousands of students, potters, and just interested individuals, have taken classes, workshops, or attended raku firings since the 1960s.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Very interesting Taupou. Being Dutch I had no idea there was such a thing as American raku. The potters who used Raku and Raku-inspired techniques overhere were mostly trained by Bernard Leach and Shoji Hamada in St. Ives, England. Leach and Hamada started in the 1920s and influenced several generations of Western European potters, many of whom studied in Japan as well. Although the Leach potteries are not generally known for a Raku-inspired style, I have met several Dutch potters who learnt the technique from Bernard Leach.
    By the way, where does Abdel live? Maybe he lives in a part of the world that has known the same kind of influence, and we can expand our knowledge.
     
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  8. abdel

    abdel Well-Known Member

    Thank you for allthese interesting and useful information. I found this bowl in north morocco, morocco, would to say again that this bowl has a magnetic base and it's very heavy
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, Abdel, I had a feeling there was no American connection.
    Morocco has a rich ceramics tradition, and has been attractive to foreign artists for a long time. There could be a connection there. Could still be an American potter, but could also be Moroccan or any other nationality.
    There is of course iron ore in Morocco, it is a country rich in minerals. I don't know in which locations though.
    I have taken a quick look and saw that Beni Mellal/Ayt Mellal has a magnetic soil contamination problem. I don't know if there is a link there.
    I know from my interest in meteorites that Morocco is also meteorite country. If there are meteorite rocks, it is very likely that there is meteorite soil, which could also explain magnetism.

    I hope someone else can help you a bit further along, in the meantime I'll keep it in mind as well. This forum thrives on combined insights and efforts.
    If you edit your title to add the word magnetic, some 'metal people' may look as well.
     
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  10. abdel

    abdel Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much for all your help and useful information
     
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  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Would you be more specific please? In what part of Morocco did you find this bowl? And under what circumstances?

    Debora
     
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  12. abdel

    abdel Well-Known Member

    Really i found it in north of morocco, in Al Hoceima city exactly, from a seller of antique things
     
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  13. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Just to be clear, the term "American raku" refers to the technique, not necessarily the country of origin. That's possibly why it's often shortened to simply "raku," despite the confusion between that and traditional Japanese Raku pottery.

    Paul Soldner worked with Hamada, Leach, Cardew, and most of the other noted studio potters of the 1960s up until the time of his death in 2011. He taught workshops on raku all over the world.

    The same can be said of Michael Cardew, who was Bernard Leach's first apprentice, but who spent most of his life teaching, primarily in Africa, but also in Australia, Canada, and the U.S.

    So where an item is found may be a clue to its identification, but not necessarily conclusive evidence that it is where it originated.

    Some good web sites about raku are the official Soldner site: http://www.paulsoldner.com/man/man_main.html

    An article written by Soldner himself:
    http://www.paulsoldner.com/essays/American_Raku.html
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That is not really an area where foreign artists have settled, but pieces travel of course.
    What did the seller say about it?
     
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  15. abdel

    abdel Well-Known Member

    Hi, He don't know about it, He just think it's an old andalusian bowl.
    Thank's again,
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Andalusia is another area with a lot of pottery, and a lot of residential courses for foreign potters and dabblers in art.
    About magnetism in this area, in western Andalusia and neighbouring southern Portugal is the so-called Iberian Pyrite Belt, here is some info:
    http://www.life-etad.com/index.php/en/iberian-pyrite-belt
     
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