?Japanese vase

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  1. Shazzie04

    Shazzie04 New Member

    Hello, I own this pair of vases. When I purchased them the dealer indicated that they were Japanese Vases from the Meiji period. There is no makers mark on them that I can find.
    Does anyone know if in fact these are Japanese? Thanks
     

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  2. Houseful

    Houseful Well-Known Member

    Looking around Japanese celadon vases I find these which do look like yours. Wait for others though.
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  3. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    Yes looks japanese late 19th century Seto ware. nice examples. Can we see the bottom pics please?
     
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  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

  5. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    I would not call these Seto ware, they are porcelain after all, not pottery! ...perhaps you meant "Seiji"?
    Seiji is the Japanese term for celadon, which traditionally is not a colour/glaze particularly liked by the Japanese, so there are very few pieces made for domestic consumption apart from the occasional Tobi Seiji pieces from artist potters.
    IMO, these vases are late Meiji/early Taisho productions. so early 20thc. Nice quality.
     
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  6. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    Its seto. Seto ware (瀬戸焼, Seto-yaki) is a type of Japanese pottery, stoneware, and ceramics produced in and around the city of Seto in Aichi Prefecture, Japan. The Japanese term for it, setomono, is also used as a generic term for all pottery. Seto was the location of one of the Six Ancient Kilns of Japan.

    Google seto celadon and you will find many comparble vases
     
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  7. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Just because a bunch of people copied each other's ebay descriptions does not make it so. Seto yaki is pottery, not porcelain.
     
  8. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    The clay available in Seto is a high-quality kaolin and porcelain stone which turns white when fired and helps produce colored glazes.
    So I agree to disagree blooey.
     
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  9. Shazzie04

    Shazzie04 New Member

    Thanks so much - yep the third celadon base is the same as mine. I absolutely love them. I found them at an antique shop and then it closed and it took me another 2 years to find them again.
    Any idea on how much they should be insured for?
     
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  10. Shazzie04

    Shazzie04 New Member

    Sorry not sure what you mean by “bottom pics” -do you mean bottom of the vases?
     
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  11. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    yes the bottom of the vases.
     
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  12. Shazzie04

    Shazzie04 New Member

    Here is the pic of the bottom of one of the vases. There’s nothing in the bottom of either of them.
     

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  13. Shazzie04

    Shazzie04 New Member

    I also have a mini of the vases.
     

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  14. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    The bottoms of porcelain & pottery items can tell a lot about the piece even with no visible marks. The color of the unglazed portion, if the bottom is glazed or unglazed, & the construction of the bottom are just a few examples that can be determined by someone who knows how to read the clues. Also, most experts will tell you the last thing you should look at when evaluating an item is the marks. Marks can be faked & there are many instances where a fake mark has fooled the experts leading to the item being added to a museum's collection only later to be found to be a fake.

    @Shazzie04 - Welcome to the forum!! :happy::happy:
     
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  15. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    i would have liked to see a white unglazed footrim. this one is either too dirty or painted to make it look older. do you want to wash it to see if the dirt goes away?
     
  16. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    The photo of the base shows pottery rather than porcelain to me. I’m confused.
     
  17. Shazzie04

    Shazzie04 New Member

    I have given the base a clean and yes it was dirty... here is another pic. It definitely feels rougher around the edge of the vase base compared to the body of the vase.
     

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  18. Rec

    Rec Well-Known Member

    Nice job. With this base i can say its late 19 century
     
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