ID help for a large and heavy oriental plate

Hello friends,

I bring to your attention this large and heavy oriental plate.
It has a diameter of 41 cm and a weight of 2,670 kg.
The red mark on the bottom is not very legible, and I think it is rather difficult to identify.
My hope is that some of you can help me identify the mark and then trace its dating and origin.
I am also sending you a photo in which the size of this plate is compared with a standard plate and a saucer.
Thank you all for the time you dedicate to me.

 

That's Satsuma ware, but I don't think you're going to be able to find a maker with the mark being that smudged. I would guess early 20th century up to maybe the 30's or 40's.

My opinion is just from what I've handled; I'm definitely no expert. Others will be along with their opinions as well.

Edit: perhaps if someone can offer the theme of the plate along with the keyword "Satsuma", you'll be able to narrow down the maker.

Here's two excellent resources for looking for similar items:

http://gotheborg.com/marks/satsuma.shtml

http://litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com/p/japanese-porcelain-marks.html

 

New, Hong Kong or Macao decorated and not Japanese, Chinese "satsuma" - decorative value only.

 

thanks

 

Gianluca, the red flag is that heavy, allover crazing.

Debora

 

I'm sorry but i dont understand the meaning of your words, maybe because of my poor english

 

Red flag means a warning sign. Crazing is those small cracks in the glaze.
So those small cracks all over are a warning sign that it isn't old or antique.

 

I stand corrected. Thanks for the more well-informed opinions.

One question, doesn't crazing occur naturally over time? How do you tell the difference between real crazing and "factory made" crazing?

 

Crazing happens when glazed ceramics are cooled quickly. It is mostly intentional. You can recognize certain manufacturing periods because crazing was fashionable (or not).

 

As Any Jewelry explained above, Gianluca. "Red flag" was first used by military forces as a literal warning sign. (Here is a very early Dutch example.) It later became a metaphor for "warning."


"A Naval Encounter between Dutch and Spanish Warships by Cornelis Verbeeck. circa 1618/1620. A solid red flag, signifying the ship’s intent to engage in combat with a Spanish galleon (left ship), flies at the Dutch warship's stern (right ship)."

 

Thanks for the explanation.

 

Thanks @Debora @Any Jewelry @tie.dye.cat @blooey

to allow me to learn more every day

 

We're all here to learn.

Debora

 

The original but "alternate" red flag - (as a symbol of the workers of the world/communists) was first used in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales during the first ever "strike" in 1831.

My home town!!!

https://www.socialist.net/the-merthyr-rising-1831-rage-rebellion-and-the-red-flag.htm

 

Now isn't that interesting...I didn't know about any of this ( quelle surprise!!). Only thing I remember about ole Merthyr is a huge supermarket and the Tria-ang factory.

 

Worked there during school holidays!
...and don't forget it's where Laura Ashley hailed from and also where they discovered a strange side effect of a drug designed for allergies that became known as VIAGRA

 

Oh my! I love Tri-ang...I've got my Mums' doll house and one or two others ( in fact a Tri-ang dolly house is one of my eBay shelves/cupboard .I keep little easily lost items in there) ( which still get lost)

My grandparents lived in Hay and no supermarket was near them so we'd go to jolly ole Merthyr
Didn't know about that Viagra thing at all...Johnny Owen,I do know him. Merthyr Matchstick..that was so sad x

 

I can't see the photos on this thread - just boxes with red x on them - but if the item is Satsuma, all over crazing is a sign of this. There is some good information on Satsuma here: https://antique-collecting.co.uk/2020/12/14/satsuma-ware-a-guide-to-collecting/

 

That happens with many photos after some time, depending on the source I think.

I am sure Gianluca has already sold the plate. It wasn't Satsuma btw, but a rather crude recent Chinese imitation with heavy crazing, not the subtle crazing of Satsuma. Blooey knows his 'stuff'.

 

This thread is so old it is likely that the OP removed the photos from the source they used, making them disappear from here. (This happens when the pics were copied and pasted rather than uploaded.)