Featured Roseville Vase - Real or Repo? Old or New?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by KikoBlueEyes, Nov 11, 2020.

  1. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    While I know people who collect Roseville Pottery, I never spotted one I could afford before. So I'm not sure that this is real Roseville pottery at all. And when I have had the pleasure to see someone's collection, I haven't seen any with a shiny glaze. Perhaps, that was just their focus of collection. I know there are Roseville collectors here. Can you tell by my photos, if it appears to be a real piece? It is a simple fan design with a pine cone and swaths of pine needles. The base is mottled brown. The stamp seems to be authentic, but what do I know. As the part under Roseville states, it is 8" tall. It is 4 1/2 inches in diameter at the base and weighs one pound 8.5 ounces.
    If it is real, then the glaze on the bottom seems to be crackled with age or perhaps something else. In addition, to the Roseville, it has a raised 283 - 8" (corrected by Marie); a 7 in blue writing; three blue lines of varying length and what looks like a raised "E" above and to the left of the Roseville. I started imagining other marks, so I will stop here. I paid $25 for it, so if it is a repro or new nothing really lost. Any help will be appreciated.

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  2. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    If you search for "Roseville 283-8" you will find lots of examples. Congratulations, $25 is a good price :p
     
  3. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Yippee!!!!!!!!!! I wasn't sure because what I've seen was beyond pricey.
     
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I love the Pine Cone pattern! You're lucky, Kiko!
     
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  7. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    So you agree, it's real. Thank you for this. I see they made this pattern for many years based on the link @i need help gave me. Can you tell anything about when?
     
  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately I don't know beyond the original date in the book I have which says 1931.
     
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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    @Joe2007 collects US pottery. He may have a reference for dates of production.
     
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  10. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Hey. I appreciate you looking. Based on what I read, that mark started in the 1940's. I'm thinking it is early because the glaze is crackled, but the little knowledge I have about such things could be dangerous. :D
     
  11. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Thanks for this shout out. I like to get a sense of the place in history of the things I own.
     
  12. Joe in PA

    Joe in PA Well-Known Member

    Is Authentic, as others have verified. Pattern is Wincraft, with a Pinecone motif. Wincraft copied some of the motifs from their other lines to decorate Wincraft. Mid-Century, about 1948, towards the end of the Roseville company's operation. Good price, pretty piece! - Joe
     
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  13. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Joe thanks for weighing in. I was confused by some people calling this Wincraft, when I looked for images related to 283-8 as @Marie Forjan had suggested. I love that "Wincraft with a Pinecone motif." My photos don't show the blue undertone well, but it really catches the eye. I only mentioned the price because it was so low making me think repro
     
  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the info, Joe! My book doesn't show this particular shape in Wincraft, but it does show another shape with the Pine Cone decoration.

    (Sorry that I confused your user name with the other Joe. ;))
     
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  15. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Bakers. From what I been seeing they made scads of different pieces in a myriad of colors. I loved that one that is like mine is being sold for $1,250 because it was a trial glaze. Kiko

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  16. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Trial glaze notwithstanding, I like your color combination much better. ;)
     
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  17. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    I read it was from the estate of a major collector. Perhaps the uniqueness was more important than the color scheme. I agree with you. Doesn’t have the contrast and pine cones aren’t pink
     
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  18. Joe2007

    Joe2007 Collector

    Looks like I am a bit late to this thread! @Joe in PA is correct, this is Roseville Wincraft which does confuse some collectors due to the pinecone motifs. It is absolutely authentic although does have some imperfections to the glaze on the base which might slightly bother some collectors. Good buy at $25.
     
  19. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Better late than never. :) I was thoroughly confused. There is so much information out there that someone like me who loves beautiful things, but knows nothing on the subject, can get easily lost. I very much appreciate you confirming it's authenticity. I never expected to own a piece. I really loved the base with it's earth like look, which I originally believed to be associated with the pine code theme. But now I look at other pieces of Wincraft, brown in the base seems to be one of the themes. il_1588xN.2190805412_b186.jpg
     
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  20. crowleys

    crowleys Well-Known Member

    This Wincraft vase is shown in ROSEVILLE IN ALL ITS SPLENDOR by Jack and Nancy Bomm (1998) on p. 367. It's a black and white photograph of a brochure page. Color is listed as Chartreuse. The Wincraft line dates circa January 1948.
     
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