Featured Dating Tea Bowl

I bought this from photos thinking it was gilded European porcelain but now that I’ve got it I realise that the edging is brown which indicates that it is Chinese.

I feel that it is quite early say c1750-80 but haven’t found another with decoration like it in this shape although I’ve found the shape in 18thc armorial pieces.

Any thoughts?

 

Aren't the bottoms a bit clean for that kind of age? But I defer to your far greater knowledge, John, and will follow with interest.

 

It’s porcelain so it can be two hundred years old and still look brand new if it has been looked after.

 

Not Chinese IMO John.

I. foot looks wrong
2. paste too white
3. chip on saucer looks granular not conchordial

 

You are most probably right but I’m struggling to find this brown rim. Did find a few Japanese brown rims.

Shape is Meissen Royal Flute but it’s not Meissen. Will keep looking.

 

John, I'd look a bit closer to home, like in the UK maybe , that chip looks non-hard-pastey to me ...and BTW don't forget Chelsea and contemporaries did some stuff with brown rims and were fond of copying Meissen now and again and of course, everybody was copying the Chinese...

all very interesting, keep going, !!

 

I keep coming back to the foot rim on that saucer ..it does look like a Chinese treatment ...very odd.

 

Hi there guys
heres a link to what you may find interesting....i think Chinese
https://www.antiquers.com/threads/dating-tea-bowl.56363/

 

oops...try again
https://antiques-international.ch/p...trembleuse-cup-and-saucer-quinlong-1736-1795/

 

Is that the link you meant? Links back to this post.

 

Thanks Norman That has a lot of similarities

 

Similarities, I agree (apart from the gilding and the trembleuse saucer) however - I believe the piece in the link may not be Chinese either!

 

Just had an email from someone who is an absolute expert and he said this.
“

Most of my books are trapped for Christmas, but I have found a similar service of second half of 18th century.
Your tea bowl and saucer are Chinese, from the photo, and near to 1750.
Because the shape was more expensive to produce, their purchase price would have been greater. And probably rarer than the standard round bowl.”

 

Just a short note : this was verified by the Goteborg Board on Chinese items.

 

absolute expert? What is that?

 

Hi John, good to find you doing your usual thing so brilliantly in these forums. You might remember me from our own forum years ago: Jeremy Evans.

Anyway, I can see why your cup and saucer is so puzzling, having a sort of split Chinese/European personality.

Probably won’t get you much further but the flower is reminiscent of that on a Chinese ‘pot de crème’ I bought many years ago from a dealer who though it to be an English mustard pot. Being new here, I hope I succeed in uploading the picture .

 

Hi Jeremy

lovely to see you here - it’s a great forum. Yes the flower is very similar. I think your pot is most likely Chinese too.

Best wishes

John

 

He’s a senior member of an Oriental ceramics society and lives and breathes Chinese and Japanese ceramics. I don’t like to ask him for help as he gets a lot of requests but as we were all unsure I thought he would help and he did.

 

Good to see you, John. Yes, this is definitely Chinese. I was going to post a couple more pics but they were over-sized. I’ll have to see if I can resize them (iPad). Done.

 

Hello MT - your lidded cup is indeed a Chinese hard-paste porcelain piece and very typically so - apart from the rather odd decoration - IMO likely a custom pattern based on a a design supplied by the importer.