Pictorial Silver Plate Mark Urn No Photos

Hi,
Sorry, no photo, I'm just trying to figure the mark out. I saw it on a nice silver-plate coffee and tea set today, the only mark on each piece was a 2 handle urn.
I've looked at the Pictorial marks page on 925-1000, but when I google all I get is silver-plated urns.
Wondering if someone knows the mark.
Any ideas appreciated.

 

It could be a picture of a samovar? But I'm not sure whether that is a mark on other types of silver pieces.

 

Thanks fig! It could be, I can't really say. I'll have to sneak my camera in there today and see if I can get a photo. I thought it was an interesting mark and just wanted to find out more about it.

 

Your question has been scratching at the back of my brain since I saw it last night, cx.

Something about a Scandinavian mark. But I can't find it, so maybe the wrong synapses were firing at the time.

 

Bakersgma - perhaps you're thinking of the Swedish G.A.B.'s 'Vasakärven' (sheaf vase) mark? It was used on some of their production, in a variety of metals - if I recall correctly, from around the 1920s-30s to the '50s-60s, (as well as on the flatware pattern of the same name). Don't believe I've run across it on its own, always with marks indicating the metal...

~ Cheryl

 

Yay!! That's the one!

 

Thanks dragonfly, but that isn't it. This one has what looks like the letter 'M', I'll try searching using that.
Here is the mark and one of the pieces. I tried to take the price tag off but it kept tearing - from what I could uncover there was no other marks.

 

Wellll finally another one of this mark!!! I have/had a silverplate tray with this exact same mark. The tray is also marked with "Sheffield Reproduction." From 2004 through to 2010, I searched my many silver references, online silver mark sites, and posted queries on silver forums such as the Silver Salon boards and eBay's Antique board with no luck in identifying the mark. As it has no mark of a country, it was probably made in the USA. Believe me many have tried to ID the maker with no luck. The tray was one of my mother's. I suspect it dates no earlier than the 1950s for don't remember seeing it as a young child. I have now passed the tray on to a niece.

Description:
Ornate etching with chasing on rim. Marks: In an oval on the bottom either a bird (eagle or possibly a hooded falcon) with a shield-shaped breast plate or a double-handle sugar bowl with lid and "Sheffield Reproduction." Condition: good; some wear on edge of chasing and in design causing "bleeding" (copper showing through).

Please, if you ever ID the maker, do tell me!

--- Susan

 

Thanks ladybranch! They sure look the same - does yours have the 'M' for the feet? I didn't buy the set, they are selling each piece separately and asking quite a bit for each piece. I didn't see any other mark, just the one in the oval.

 

They did look the same, but on editing the pics and seeing them side by side, there are differences. The mark on mine doesn't look as refined as the mark on that set and the trophy cup/eagle or whatever takes up more room in the oval on mine.

Hmmmm..... I hadn't noticed a possible "M" on it anywhere. Nowww after you mentioned it, your's does look to having an "M" for the feet. Mine could be a "M," but the mark is messed up a bit in that area so not sure. Am including a zoomed and edited combination pic of the marks side by side. 2 of mine (1 is a negative) and 1 of yours. As you didn't buy the set, the question of maker for you is now mute.

---- Susan

 

Yeah, with just the mark, was pretty sure it wasn't G.A.B., and suspected the mark you and Susan show.

Susan - feel sure those are variants of the same mark, and may be one used on a special line, perhaps for department stores, or some other specific market. Do remember that Patrick and I had discussed your mark, but can't recall any details, and don't find any record.

Sheffield Plate reproductions were marketed in the U.S., Canada, and Australia, as well in the U.K., but that particular phrasing of 'Sheffield Reproduction' seemed common to pieces from the U.S. and Canada. Dating could be from the 1910s into the '70s, though the FTC fielded deceptive marketing complaints for decades that goods so marked were not from Sheffield, or fused plate or on copper, or even in the style of OSP.

This pot might give a clue, since what appears to be the same design is found with a Cheltenham & Co. mark, a line produced by Sheffield manufacturer E.H. Parkin & Co. for the New York based National Silver Co. Parkin used similar oval pictorial trademarks for the Cheltenham line as well as their Cameo line - perhaps this mark belongs to a line produced by Parkin for another company...

~Cheryl







Cheltenham:
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverC.html

Parkin:
http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverNOPtre.html

 

Thank-you for the side by side photo ladybranch. They do look very similar so maybe a variant as dragonfly suggests.

Thank-you dragonfly, they are the same design! So maybe another company for the Canadian market? This is interesting. I might go back and talk to the manager to see if I can take the price tags off the other pieces just to see if there is some other mark. I'll post here if there is anything.

 

I was able to take the tags off the pieces and no other marks anywhere. Maybe the pieces came with a tray which had the company name - so this mark will remain a mystery for now.
Ladybranch if I ever find out about the mark you will be the first to know
Thanks for all the help with this folks!

 

Good, glad you feel they are variants of the same mark! I also couldn't find the thread(s) either.

I found several on eBay with "Sheffield Reproduction." I checked every listing hoping to see this same oval mark - no luck. There were a few that had a reclining Sphinx, that the sellers were calling a lion. LOL After seeing so many S Rep, I can see why there were so many complaints. Mom did live in Ontario for a few years back in the late 1960s. A good possibility she bought this up there??

Now isn't that interesting!!! The shape of the Parkin/Cheltenham oval mark, albeit with a lady's head instead of an eagle or trophy cup, does look like the oval on the tray and the tea set! After your informative post, I search around and found at least 2 other tea sets shaped like the one cxgirl found. None of them had the same design, but the overall shape of the pieces were **identical.**

Replacements.com has Cheltenham & Co. patterns. The pattern they have numbered "2005" looks like Cxgirl's. They only show a kettle with stand & burner, but the design looks identical. The teapot in cxgirl's pic may be the kettle without the stand?
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/clm2005.htm

At this point I agree with you that the tea service was made by Parkin. The question is for whom, which may never be solved. I'm more cautious at attributing the tray at this point, but noted in the tray's info that Parkin may be the maker with your info, Cheryl.

Thank you, very much Cheryl for the info! It is more than I have ever found or gotten!

--- Susan

 

Same for me.Just cant fine a cie name...

 

Hi, Pierrette, and welcome!

Unfortunately, you've chosen a very old post to "add on to", and I'm afraid your question is a bit confusing.

If you could possibly start a new post of your own (and please, try to include photos) I am certain that someone here will be able to help you!

 

Same for me....been searching ffor days ..did not find anything about that urn mark

 

Hello my friends.
Thought I’d add one of my pieces to this Mystery.
I just received a martini shaker and stumbled on this site while doing research.
Now if I can just figure out how to Post the pictures.