Somebody buy this for me please!

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  1. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Here’s Mr. G’s try at para. 2 where Hauschka is mentioned. But the robot translation leaves Hauschka’s method on the Duke’s weapon, about as clear to me as mud.

    “III. The modern European D.

    The modern European D. A similar development as shown above also apparently takes the oriental D. in the course of his in the beginning of MA incipient import to Europe. Nothing characterizes this trend more clearly than the importation of oriental damascus barrels for luxury hunting rifles and pistols, which has predominated since the end of the 17th century, for the purpose of purely decorative effect. And here - apart from very rare saber-blades from European D. apart - sets in particular the competition taken up by Germany with the Orient. The earliest dated example German Ds supplies - but an exceptional case and technical curiosity - the run of a magnificent gun in the former Berlin arsenal, forged by Joh. Sebastian Hauschka, the Brunswick Hofbüchsenmacher, 1736 for Duke August Wilhelm (Zs. and costume design, NF 3, 1929/31, 188). For example, the earliest detectable German damascene rifle barrels date from the same period (Fig. 4) [7]. For the most elaborate and cumbersome method used in modern European D., a guideline of metal craftsmanship published in Berlin in 1770 provides the exact description (F. N. Sprengel, brass and iron workers, continued by O.L. Hartwig, Fifth Collection, Berlin 1770). Obviously, this is apparently the same or at least very similar forging and welding process as in the ancient Occidental. Thanks to its length of detail, the description reproduced here in its entirety is therefore capable, at the same time, of supplementing and supplementing the idea of the old method; It is also significant that only the forging of runs is mentioned, so damascening of blades is no longer an option.”

    I’m lost!
     
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you are, Mr. G usually creates his own definitions and expressions.
    The significant part is the description in the 1770 guideline, which is below the translation mr G did for you.
    This is also mr G's translation, so some very strange terms.

    "The key point is:
    "Usually the crude blacksmith on the factories takes to the blanks of such a run at the same time gray (hard) and white (soft) iron and steel, lumps together the thin rods of these metals and winds them after welding together. The twisted piece (author's note: one finds runs with the name "SPIRITUAL LAEUF") metal he forges flat again, strikes it, winds it again and repeats this work a few times, before he makes a circuit board (workpiece for the run, author's note). Far damper is the damascening, or talking to the gunsmith, the damask, when the whole pipe is made of wound wire. Take an old shotgun barrel and wrap it around half the length of the future damascaded tube with fine, annealed wire, as the tangle expands, as you can easily see, when welded together. On each layer some thicker wires are laid along the length so that the layers do not fall apart. One person winds the wire around the thorn and another presses it with a punch firmly against the thorn. This work continues until the wrapped mandrel with the wire is about as thick as the thigh of a full grown man. One then entrusts the entanglement of the wire to a skilful blacksmith on the rifle factory, who brings the wire up to the heat of welding and welds it together first on a strong, but at last on a caliber-shaped mandrel. The wire must, however, be put into the glow at least 20 times before it can be completely welded together. Only very few pipe smiths understand the welding of such a pipe.The slightest damascening occurs when winding a wire around a weak barrel called a sleeve, or wrapping a thin board around it from the first damascus and welding both onto the pipe.Only the veins of the damascierten pipe fall in the eyes only when the pipe is pickled. It is therefore completely covered with vinegar, vitriol, and white water in a wooden trough, and left to stand in this stain until the veins show. "
    Thus, three different methods are to be distinguished, the second and finest of which corresponds to the described braided damask made of wires of the early D. Also, the application of the first method of tortuous rods is generally believed to be early. Out of consideration here is the modern spurious D. simulated by etched pattern D.The Damaszieren (damasculieren) of weapons and iron devices encountered in older parlance has nothing to do with D. and is equivalent to Tauschieren."

    It is a terrible translation, for instance 'gewundene Laeuf' (wound barrel) is translated as Spiritual Laeuf.
    But there is too much text for me to translate.
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Somehow the text was posted twice, sorry about that.
     
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  4. springfld.arsenal

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    You can say that again!

    Seriously now folks, I’m guessing the US-based elements of the antique weapons market simply don’t discriminate between the two methods under discussion, if it looks “twisty” and variegated in color and texture, they call it “Damascus.” Much work is ongoing with knife-makers who twist and forge various metals, I wonder if they do likewise as far as terminology or is the wire technique given a different name?
     
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  5. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    I would think that technique was partly to make the barrel stronger. Maybe the metal was not very stable and strong.
     
  6. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Damascus steel was a coined/trade name to make it sound exotic for a pattern welded process.Real Damascus steel was something they were trying to copy which is "Wootz steel" a crucible steel with carbide/dendrites which formed during melting and cooling.

    Modern knife makers use the word pattern welded,but the public recognizes the word Damascus.
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Wootz is an adaptation of the original Indian name. The patterns were created by inclusions/pollutions of other metals.
    It was produced in India and ingots were shipped to the Middle East, notably Damascus, where the wootz was made into swords, the famous Damascus or Damascene swords.
    This is an Indian khanjar, with a blade made of wootz:
    upload_2018-2-17_18-31-59.jpeg

    In Indonesia wootz or 'pamor' became an essential metal for ceremonial weapons. It was made locally.
    Ideally the iron came from 7 different sources, a spiritually important number, and a guarantee of mixed metals.
    This is a Madurese keris with some meteorite in the pamor, as is seen in the different silvery shades in the pamor, and the sparkling line in the base:

    upload_2018-2-17_18-31-28.jpeg

    There are kerises with inlaid blades, but inlay is never called pamor.
     
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