Need help on a group of Dressen Figurine

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  1. jingyel

    jingyel Well-Known Member

    Hello, I found the follow figurines from a local estate sale.
    I wonder if anyone has any idea of the age, and name of those figurines? m01.JPG m02.JPG m05.JPG m06.JPG m07.JPG
     
  2. anundverkaufen

    anundverkaufen Bird Feeder

  3. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    AND the 4th one in from the left on the Google search that @anundverkaufen gave you....on 1st Dibs, rather looks just like your FIRST one showing....but keep in mind, 1st Dibs tends to be “out there” in their prices!!!!!
     
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  4. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Those are fantastic . The prices they bring are astounding. What a find ! The second one seems to be referencing the Chinese Opium war .
     
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  5. jingyel

    jingyel Well-Known Member

    [QUOTE=".but keep in mind, 1st Dibs tends to be “out there” in their prices!!!!![/QUOTE]----- I can read every single word you typed, but just don't know what exactly you mean: “out there” you mean on the market and the price is going up? Could anyone give some interpretation in simple english:jimlad:
     
  6. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    in plain English: 1st Dibs' prices are very inflated, way over-priced so don't expect to sell your item for anywhere close to their asking prices.
     
  7. jingyel

    jingyel Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Now I see...
    Actually by checking the sold price online, the 1st pair of figurines in good shape for $1200 seems still reasonable.
     
  8. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    is there any serious expertised listing outside the Anglo-Saxon realm ?
    they do not show the quality of "Sächsische Porzellan-Manufaktur Dresden".
     
  9. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    Here are some that have sold at auction in the UK They may be smaller than yours. Screenshot 2021-03-28 at 14.18.11.png Screenshot 2021-03-28 at 14.19.04.png
     
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  10. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    Does that actually say Dresden or is it just fuzzy?. My eyes aren’t as good as they once were!. The es looks vague but I know less than nothing about Dresden!
     
  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Here is Rontgen's info on the mark.
    img20210328_093040.jpg
     
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  12. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Bodenmarken
    Allein zwischen 1902 und 1926 ließ das Unternehmen 32 verschiedene Marken registrieren, davon 8 nur für den deutschen Markt.
    Between 1902 and 1926 32 different marks registered, 8 of which were for the German market only.

    Porzellanmarken
    Die Marken der Manufaktur sind zahlreich und voneinander sehr verschieden. Sie sind nicht mehr vollständig dokumentierbar. Dies liegt nicht nur an Kriegsverlusten, sondern hauptsächlich an dem großen Hochwasser der Wiederitz im Jahr 1957, als das komplette Firmenarchiv im Keller vernichtet wurde.
    there's a multitude of differing marks. not documented. complete archive destroyed by flooding in 1957.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sächsische_Porzellan-Manufaktur_Dresden#cite_ref-10
     
  13. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Röntgen is - as usual - not only incomplete but doesn't mention that the VEB marks were GDR marks only; it seems his only goal was to take advantage of his job as radio-journalist that was allowed to travel around in the GDR freely and collect information about the most wellknown factories like Meissen and many others that were in the communist zone..
    furthermore already Carl Thieme had other marks.
    [​IMG]
     
  14. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Sorry Fid, my old edition of Rontgen's is the only one I have that seemed relevant as no other examples of the mark were given to the OP. Can't vouch for any author and am always open to better reference material. Where did you find the example of the marks for future reference?

    That's what makes this place so good many eyes on the subject.
     
  15. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    when they write on wiki germany what I copied and translated, then I normally know there's more to it.
    I researched and fell on a page of Waltraud Neuwirth - an absolute authority for Wiener Secession and Jugendstil and everything that was behind the iron curtain. she seems to have investigated about "fake" Vienna marks - Bindenschilds etc. - and seems to have found that Thieme in Pottschappel was one of the fakers.
     
  16. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

  17. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    I’m a bit naive here, are you saying this mark may not be genuine?
    :confused:
     
  18. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I was "musing" about the quality of the shown figures; the discussion about the marks is a different topic.:)
     
  19. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    she was in the right place at the right time. born 1941, therefore not "belasted" by the Austrian history and as a woman she didn't have to prove what she's done during the Third Reich. especially Vienna had a longlasting history of anti-semitism and the universities were really "cleansed" of all Jews, Socialists etc..
    then comes her openness towards the simple people when starting to investigate for fakes of Vienna porcelain by inviting the public to bring forward their stuff to get it tested for free - a thing that no university academic would have done before her.
    it seems her open mind opened many doors to hidden museum and private collections; and she was a hard worker and had her own head.
    as for English - we don't have to forget that on the continent not many people spoke English till the 70s; in Austria it was still French that had status character.
     
  20. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    No disrespect meant about the German language, just that I don't speak it. I do have at least one reference book in German as well as a a few in other languages I don't speak and it's always a challenge to get the true meaning.

    (I did teach myself French to the level of about a toddler though have moved on to Gaelic for now.)
     
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