H.J. van der Weele 1852-1930 painting

Hi there,

I have a painting of the Dutch painter Herman Johannes van der Weele 1852-1930
The size of the painting without the frame is: 114cm length and 84 cm height
I noticed on liveauctioneers.com that some of his work sold for a nice amount last year.
I am a complete newby to art.
I was wondering if anyone like to share their expertise on it.
There is a vertical line visible (about 32 mm wide) just off centre. See pictures.
Does this affect the value a lot?

Here is the link to the photo's:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/biHKMjNyR8dqPtAv6


Any feedback will be appreciated

 

Hi Fabian,

Some people won't click external links.

 

Thank you!

 

The 'line' looks like it is from the vertical stretcher. You might want to contact an art restorer in your area. The painting would likely need to be cleaned as well.

 

There's something odd when I enlarge the photos. It definitely looks like his work, but it looks like a heavy glaze painted over it. Makes me wonder if it's been restored already.

 

Yes and it would help to see the trimmed canvas for areas of paint. Does it make drum sound when the canvas is thumped indicating re-lined?

 

This is a photo of the back on the painting.
As you can see there is paint there so I assume that the canvas is re-lined. The drum sound not so much but I have nothing elso to compare it with.
Does these things affect the value a lot?

 

In looking at the painting and the back, the vertical line in the center showing on both the front and back, is 'off center' from the vertical stretcher, so I don't think it's from the stretcher, unless of course it's been re stretched!!!!

AND THAT'S interesting, because you can see on the back #1. patchwork in the framing top & bottom along the vertical stretcher, and #2. it IS a bit whiter ON the canvas back to the left of the vertical stretcher!! OK, I'm done nitpicking!! Just interesting points I see! (which is also showing on the front.) BUT I do love the pastoral scene!!

 

Thank you!
Yes indeed I noticed the patchwork on the frame as well. It looks like this is done a while ago. The previous owner told me that he bought the painting more than 30 years ago at a Sotheby's auction in Amsterdam.
Does this sound plausible to you?

 

Is he the one who reframed it?

Debora

 

You might be able to reach out to Sotheby's in Amsterdam to check their records.

 

Mind you, I'm no Expert, but someone went to considerable effort to make sure this painting was well supported/stabilized, so, to me, yes, I think it does sound plausible. I think it must have been done professionally as in looking at the edges of the painting showing on the back, they don't really look touched (except some believe it to be re-lined, which I don't know!).....that took some expertise to do that....not just the top and bottom, but the sides as well.....ALL is MY humble opinion and as I said, I'm NOT an expert!!!!

 

Is this a black border of paint within the new frame? Indicating that the original frame was smaller?

Debora

 

Hmmmmmm....Verry Interesting Point!!!

 

Hi, Yes this is Black. Yes it could be

 

Can it be that the original painting was Bigger? So that they have trimmed a bit off later en re-streched the painting. And thats why the vertical line is just off centre and the frame on the back re-sized