Help With Image

Discussion in 'Art' started by Shwikman, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    :) :) Well Done!! @Bronwen !
     
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  2. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    The faces in the original seem to have more individual character than the repro.

    Also, what’s strange to me(about both) is the sumptuous white marble bench and floor in the middle of what seems like a dark woods.
     
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  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    It's not Socialist Realism, you know, you need to suspend your disbelief. Jones is too late even for the pre-raphaelites. This isn't an actual art world term, but I would call his work neo-romanticism.

    In the painting it looks like there are flowers just beyond the marble bench & Wiki says of Jones:

    He is known for his paintings of women at ease in richly decorated interiors or in flower-filled gardens.
     
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  4. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the explanation, I appreciate it.
    Any idea on what kind of print this is or when it was done? Would I need to remove it from the frame?
     
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  5. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    He seems to have had several different styles, but I'm finding almost no dates for any of his work:

    https://www.invaluable.com/artist/jones-francis-coates-21imsc6nz0/sold-at-auction-prices/

    The Song, Sappho, & Music are in that fantasy style I called neo-romanticism. I can't tell when in his career he was making work like this. In the photo with your post, the print looks sepia toned? Is it? You might not have to take it out from under the glass to see what you need to in order to have some idea of the type of print, but we can't see it well enough to tell. Examined closely, do you see little dots, fine little lines...?
     
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  6. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    I’m not with the print now, it did look sepia toned to me. I’ll have to check it out this weekend, I’ll try to remember to bring a loupe. Maybe I’ll get brave and remove it from the frame..I really love the frame.
     
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  7. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Think that is held in by more little nails than I've ever seen on the back of a single picture. See what magnification through the glass reveals. If the print is lying flat, not sagging/wrinkling, it would be a shame to disturb it.
     
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  8. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    Roger that! It did seem flat as I remember it, and thank you again!
     
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  9. Shwikman

    Shwikman Well-Known Member

    Here’s the frame. Love this frame.
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous frame. Probably worth more than the print.
     
  11. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    To remove (Painlessly. I hope.) First remove the grommets and the hanging wire. Use a skinny screwdriver counterclockwise. Then get rid of all the messy paper. Next, take your nail-removing pinchers (your local framer will show you what they look like and tell you where to get them. Very useful, BTW! Ordinary pliers do not work well for this sort of thing.)

    And the little dears will come out zip-zip. Besides, you have to get new backing on that print anyway.

    Great frame -- needs better print. (Although I quite like the ladies) And their venue is one of those adorable English follies. :)
     
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  12. caroln

    caroln Active Member

    It looks like she's holding some sort of double flute to me. Oops, sorry, looking at wrong pic. Yes, tuning fork looks right.
     
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  13. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Love it in its own right, but it is also perfect for this or any other work in this genre. Glad you got better advice than mine concerning whether to open up the frame & how to go about it.
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

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    However, the singer of The Song is pretty clearly the laureate Sappho again. I think what we are seeing is her kithara, edge on:

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    I'm captivated by the feather fan:

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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Very fluffy. Nothing to do with the period the painting is meant to represent though, it is a typical early 20th century fan.
     
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  16. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    You're another one who needs to suspend disbelief! :)
     
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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Besides, the scene is set in mythological time; historical standards do not apply. And how many times have you seen the Virgin Mary wearing Renaissance clothes? Art licenses anything. :)
     
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  18. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Heck! Put the muses in blue jeans, whatdoIcare...

    And baseball hats.

    And those gawgeous ankle boots with no toes.
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    My mother had a collection of Virgin Mary's from around the world, so I am used to unusual depictions of the Virgin Mary;)
    Now I want to see a steampunk Virgin Mary.:happy:
     
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  20. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I expect you have only to look. :)
     
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