favelle 1394 vase

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by lloyd249, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    Hi all , I was wondering if anyone can tell me anything about this vase ,or it's maker ,? ,I haven't found/figured out anything ,except that the word may be italian (murano ) altho i haven't found any murano like this one, it's 100% glass , idk.,any help would be appreciated ,thanks (maybe a bad attempt at spelling favrile lol.) or maybe the Daum brothers , seen another post about them here,
    to best describe it , itis dark glass on the inside then clear and then applied and swirled/feathered on the outer layer , only a little red light comes through the bottom in the center , otherwise i can't see light through it and it has some tiny very hard to see chipping around top edge. .

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  2. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

    Reminds me of Azerbaijan glass. Don't know how much info about various Azerbaijan makers is out there. Could also be something else - it's just the vibe I'm getting.
     
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  3. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    azerbaijan glass, that is some pretty beautiful glass (looking at some)
    is that russian? bohemian that was the word i was looking for lol
     
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  4. Cherryhill

    Cherryhill Well-Known Member

    When Tiffany used "Favrile" they meant it to mean "Hand Made" I have no idea what it means in this instance, it certainly isn't from Tiffany.
     
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  5. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    no , i don't think it is or has the quality of a tiffany either , that's why i think it might be a name , it appears to be done with a hand or electric engraver and definitely not in tiffany's hand writing (but the a is close) but the spelling is all wrong and ..... ya not tiff...... but most definitely hand made lol .

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  6. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    here is another i picked up but was painted all black thought it was clay till i looked at the bottom , it's huge 16 x 16 x 8 , no markings ,and very heavy, i still question who in their right mind would paint a beautiful piece of glass black lol
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  7. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    and on another note if it indeed said favrile i would still not believe it is a tiffany , and think it would be a poor/good "attempt" at a fake .hehe, but i don't think that is the case here, and I never claimed it ,just hoping someone might know the real maker of it or recognize anything about it , it is very beautiful and has a foundry mark/number so I'm hoping there might be more of them out there somewhere to compare .
     
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  8. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    Fait main ,is french for hand made ,fatto a mano is italian
    favrile is not a word but a description of Definition of favrile. : colored glassware of delicate design with an iridescent surface.
     
  9. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    okay so i have asked an expert and he said to contact tiffany museum which just has a bunch of links that don't really go anywhere , so who else do you think could have done it since you are so convinced it wasn't tiffany ,give me the name of anyone else in the world that could have done it ? i'm at a stand still on it lol. I'm sure I have seen things like this before , ars maybe i will ask them .
     
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  10. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    i contacted lillian from the ars see if she gets back to me
     
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  11. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Lloyd, Do you really think that Tiffany would have mis-spelled "favrile" and left off their mark on anything they were going to sell?

    It might be interesting to have a picture of the vase without the flowers.
     
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  12. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

    It clearly doesn't say Favrile - it's clearly not signed as an LCT piece would be - and it doesn't look like LCT work. "Give me the name of anyone else in the world that could have done it?" - there are thousands of glass blowers/makers in the world who could have done it. I'm sticking with someone in Azerbaijan as my guess.
     
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  13. Cherryhill

    Cherryhill Well-Known Member

    I must apologize, I'm the source of "Favrile" in this thread.
    I simply read too fast, didn't check what I thought I saw. Blame it on impatience.
     
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  14. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    no i don't think he would misspell it , but there is no favrile on this vase, maybe he made up another word , lol i have been given the name "Rindskopf" looking into it now
     
  15. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    fəqərə 1394
    would be Azerbaijan
    it is signed like a tiffany that's why i think someone was trying to copy it , not trying to argue with you lol i don't know who did it and that's why I'm asking , never claimed tiffany did it , just where the experts are sending me .

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  16. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

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  17. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    great, thousands of them you say , so you should have no problem finding another like this , i haven't had any luck , maybe you can help find another ? this wasn't made yesterday , i can see the ware and tare from age on it so i'm sure when it was made there wasn't "thousands" of makers out there ,but there was a few ,and they were all trying to copy the 3 greatest glass blowers tiffany, loetz, and steuben
     
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  18. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    could be Azerbaijan,idk, but i'm going to need more proof before i can sell it as that.
     
  19. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    and stop putting words in my mouth , i never claimed ,said ,or thought tiffany did it . i would claim in the style of , like everyone else ,but really i don't know that would be correct either . and i'm sure i can rule out the other 2 lol not stuban or lowetz , the quality is just not there .
     
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  20. lloyd249

    lloyd249 it's not hoarding if it's valuable

    now i'm told it's a "Rindskopf" red vase but the signature is wrong lol(his words)

    i could see that, some one putting their own name on it and a fake tiffany style numbering .
     
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