Antiquers Daily


  • Antiques articles and information
  • Pictures of antiques (lots of them!)
  • Discussions and debates

Enter your email address:




We guarantee 100% privacy. Your information will not be shared.

Featured Coiled pine needle basket, Where from?

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by 916Bulldogs123, Nov 11, 2021.

  1. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    :happy:
     
    judy and Potteryplease like this.
  2. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Thank you @2manybooks. I thought it was and you pretty much proved it.
    Mikey
     
    Potteryplease, 2manybooks and judy like this.
  3. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Browsing ebay, as I do, I came across another basket which appears to be related to this type made of pine needles. It comes with a shop label saying it was made in Benguet Province, Philippines. Apparently, pines do grow in the highlands of Benguet, and "In 1988, Ms. Maurcia Lou Carpio’s grandmother introduced the pine needle weaving tradition as a livelihood project."
    https://dtinegosyocenter.online/news/success-story-everything-pine-utilizing-earths-gifts

    The shop that the label is from, Silahis Center, still exists in Manila.

    So, I don't know what to think about this type of basket now. Here is the labelled one on ebay -
    upload_2025-5-13_23-25-22.png
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1465763814...DrMXzp4kYQSWugDZj1THNVMMHQ|tkp:Bk9SR8b_883ZZQ

    upload_2025-5-13_23-26-10.png

    upload_2025-5-13_23-26-41.png
     
  4. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Despite the numerous claims, no Native American Indian tribe used pine needles in their traditional basketry techniques. It was an introduction by missionaries, as an easy way to make baskets for commercial sale, to add to the Indian's source of income. The Coushatta and Seminole tribes were early adapters.

    Non-Indian women, especially in the South, adopted the craft during the "Indian basket craze" around the beginning of the 20th century, and many books plus direction were published. By the end of the 20th century, basket "kits" were available in nearly every craft shop, enabling anyone who wanted one, to make it. So a pine needle basket could have been made by anyone.

    I completely agree with 2manybook's later identification. Unfortunately, this is not an Indian basket. And thank you for the up-date!
     
    2manybooks and 916Bulldogs123 like this.
  5. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    What is puzzling is the detailed history provided by an owner of a similar basket, attributing it to the Alabama-Coushatta of Texas (quoted previously in this post), including the name of the maker.

    Clearly, something got mixed up along the way, because the Philippines origin makes so much more sense - these baskets show an unfamiliarity with the technique as a recent introduction, not a traditional type of weaving in the Philippines. It does not seem to have been a long lived "livelihood project". More recent examples of pine needle work offered by a fair trade business in the region are limited to small items such as earrings.
    https://everythingispine.com/
     
    Potteryplease likes this.
  6. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Just my two cents, in part a summary of what has gone before:
    Because the use of pine needles, and the techniques used were introduced to some native American tribes from elsewhere; and because the style has been widely used by non-natives and hobbyists and others throughout the world, we can only say two things about any pine-needle basket:
    1) If it has provenance, like a signature, or is otherwise proven to have been made by a native, then by definition it is native-made.
    2) Lacking that proof, no pine-needle basket can be identified by technique as native-made.

    I have seen pine-needle baskets which superficially looked like non-native "art" works....but in fact happened to be made by a native person. The majority of pine-needle baskets simply cannot be identified by appearance alone as definitively either native or non-native.
     
Write your reply...
Uploads are not available.
Draft saved Draft deleted
Similar Threads: Coiled pine
Forum Title Date
Tribal Art Coiled Basket help ID ?? Mar 21, 2023
Tribal Art Old coiled basket, Who made it? Mar 12, 2022
Tribal Art Coiled basket, any thoughts ? Jul 26, 2014
Tribal Art Pine needle bottle Sep 14, 2024
Tribal Art 1910-1920 Seminole Pine Needle Basket Jun 14, 2024

Share This Page