Featured Authentic Misfired Jun ware or Mid Qing Shiwan Pottery Bowl

Having a hard time deciding if this 6 1/2" diameter bowl is an authentic "misfired" Jun Ware from Song through Ming dynasties, or a later Mid Qing, "misfired" Shiwan kiln piece from Foshan, Guangdong Province.

The glaze is brushed on, Jun style blue, purple, red and white with blown or splashed brown and black glazes, bubble bursts, pitting and crazing.

During the Qing period, Shiwan kilns did achieved great success in imitating the distinctive Jun techniques from kilns like those in Yuzhou and Henan.

I was able to find a documented Shiwan inkstone in Jun glaze with similar blown or splashed brown/black and red glaze dated Mid-Qing with (what appears to be) eel yellow glaze on the interior.

The course clay is heavy and especially noteworthy at the thicker base area of the bowl. The shape of the bowl and the incised rings are both unfamiliar to me as Shiwan pottery styles.

Could really use some help.

 

Gorgeous piece. Have you tried the Asian Art Forum yet ?

 

Yes, and also Bidamount but neither have replied. I would have normally been able to lean on Facebook as well, but they suspended my account because of my pro-Palestinian, genocidal comments. They called it hate speech

 

If you express an unapproved political opinion on one particular FB group-do you get banned from the entire platform ?
How do you ever get back on ?
PS-Who makes the judgement call & can you appeal ?

 

Yes, the entire platform.

There is a company called Meta that owns and makes decisions for both Facebook and Instagram, they have sided with Isreal. They simultaneously also deleted my Instagram.

As of 2024 they have suspended over 6 million accounts. There is no data for 2025. They denied my appeal. Sadly, I lost about twenty years' worth of postings, but I don't regret my posts and comments.

 

Oh man, that's harsh! Sorry, but Meta is a mega-company and if someone reports your posts/comments, you're done for. If you thought it was worth your while, you could make up another account with a different e-mail.

I know nothing about your bowl except to say that those glazes, even if mis-fired are very cool. I hope that it does turn out to be what you hope. You might try an Asian studies/fine art department at a university or the like, or even an antique dealer in the field.

 

I would not be surprised to see a bowl like that at a modern art/craft fair, the work of an artisan potter. The red clay body with noticeable grog temper (crushed, fired pottery) is common in artisan pottery from the 60s, 70s, til now. Chinese potters commonly used more refined clays and, when needed, used sand, crushed quartz and flint, or sometimes shell as a temper. Western potters have been experimenting with Asian glaze techniques since the publication of Bernard Leach's A Potter's Book in 1940.

 

After a little Googling, you are right. Disappointing, but it is what it is. I appreciate you chiming in. Even though it cost me a good amount, I have learned something new and valuable towards future pieces.

From the very beginning I kept looking at that clay thinking something was off.
I think this grog temper explains the unusually heavy weight to the bowl as well.

Thanks again!

 

Just want to add for others following that grog tempered will also melt which explains this area on the outside of the foot rim.

Lesson learned!

 

I'm sorry you didn't get the option to save your archive. Maybe the Internet archive or wayback has some of your posts?

Maybe they did you a favor considering what they are.

The pot i think is very beautiful even if more recent. I hope you can enjoy it anyway.

 

The free civilized flow of opinions is what this country's all about-neither screaming or censorship usually bring about a real solution.
PS-Whoever the artist-your pot's a beauty. Found your post of 7/8 on the Asian Art Forum-no replies yet.Seems like you got a couple of replies on Bidamount (2?)-that also mention modern studio pottery.
* You'd think with literally tons of Chinese & Japanese items found at thrifts,boots,estates the Asian Art Forum would be one of the most active places online-but the most dependable participant there does seem to be I. Nagy (the Chinese translator).It seems as the weeks go by-they do accrue,many though just collect '0's in the response column.

 

Had to google "grog tempered" as it was a new term to me. Good info when looking at studio pottery -- I have seen it a lot with studio pottery made locally. Thanks @2manybooks! "Grog, also known as firesand and chamotte, is a raw material usually made from crushed and ground potsherds, reintroduced into crude clay to temper it before making ceramic ware. It has a high percentage of silica and alumina."

Still cool glazing, though.

 

Great help from 2many !