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Featured Ashtray or something more

Discussion in 'Silver' started by baltojoe75, Jul 22, 2025.

  1. baltojoe75

    baltojoe75 Well-Known Member

    5 1/2 inches in diameter. Has a hammered pattern and a heraldic shield. 3 marks on the interior. Hopefully someone can decipher the marks and whether the shield is just a basic pattern or a family's bowlA.jpg bowlb.jpg bowlc.jpg bowld.jpg
     
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  2. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The punch marks look like real punch marks, bedarned if I know whose.
     
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  3. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Pentagram mark is Spanish, 1934-88, .915 silver, makers mark at right (Platería López, Madrid), can't make out mark at left. 19th century Spanish coat of arms stamped in the bowl...

    ~Cheryl
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2025
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  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    looks like a wine bottle coaster..
     
  6. baltojoe75

    baltojoe75 Well-Known Member

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  7. baltojoe75

    baltojoe75 Well-Known Member

    After doing a search on the maker, I saw a two handle urn with what appears to the the same mark as mine, MG according to this auction
    A Plateria López Silver Covered Two-Handled Urn, Madrid, Spain, | Lot #61334 | Heritage Auctions
    Would the MG be the person at Plateria Lopez who made the piece?

    @komokwa - the diameter of the bottom of the bowl definitely could hold a wine bottle and I did see Plateria Lopez produced other silver wine related items
     
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  8. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

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  9. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Personally believe, like the larger piece in the Rockefeller auction, that's it's just a bowl - should also note the obsolete coat of arms on yours is just decorative, while the coat of arms on the auctioned bowl belonged to Juan Carlos I.

    ~Cheryl
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2025
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  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Are we sure the coat of arms is decorative? I see Castile, Leon and Bourbon plus the crown. Could possibly pertain to something.

    Debora
     
  11. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    A version of a 19th century Spanish coat of arms (1813-68), obsolete and just decorative when this piece was produced, especially with the León lions facing to the right...

    spanish-coats-of-arms.jpg


    ~Cheryl
     
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  12. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    A very serious platería to be using a decorative coat of arms, I'd thionk. And the dish would have been a luxury item until almost the end of the mark's period. The right-facing lion was used in Spain. Here's the coat of arms of the New Kingdom of León, for instance.

    Debora

    Coat_of_arms_of_the_New_Kingdom_of_León.svg.png
     
  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  14. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Nice images of Platería López - they seemed to have a wide variety of silver in stock.

    I'm sorry if I'm just dense, but not really understanding your comments. Are you saying that an upscale 20th century Spanish platería would not be selling silver with a decorative and historic, if not quite correct, coat of arms stamped in a bowl? Personally, suspect it would appeal to many, including tourists. And why would this piece be any more of a luxury item than any other silver item?

    If you believe that a coat of arms like the representation in the bowl, with its right-facing lions, might have been in use when the piece was made in 1934-88, perhaps an example could be found...

    Regarding the right-facing lion, I was referring to the orientation on the coat of arms referenced, wouldn't be surprised if over the centuries of the León lion being in use, it was occasionally represented as right-facing, but certainly not common, even the one you posted is surrounded by left-facing lions - maybe the creator thought it just looked better. Might question the accuracy of the coat of arms you posted, its source's note:


    new-kingdom-of-leon-new-spain-wikimedia (1).jpg


    ~Cheryl
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2025
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