Featured Japanese Meiji Lacquered Fubako Box Painted with Butterflies

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by shamster, Sep 26, 2025.

  1. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    Those inlays are about the most beautiful, artistic inlays I've ever seen. What a piece, I have never heard of turban shell before, thanks for letting us know.
     
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  2. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Abalone has similar palette, but imo Turban shells are more smoother, and more dramatic color variation from different angles. This is a pic posted by a lacquer artist, showing a polished piece of turban shell backed by black lacquer. 707dcc60685363495aadfbdb8468e055.jpeg
    Opal can achieve similar effect, but they are used only in powders or tiny chips so far, because it’s way harder to cut into desired shapes, see example below d0f96e1f98bbc893055232522ec6ebe5.jpeg
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    maybe u haven't been exposed to enuf great abalone..........;):woot::woot:

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  4. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    What about great turban shell?;) e51ddcc96e8563652f1563776675defe.jpeg e37318ea03240ace209e3de258d23c3d.jpeg 8e3efc3ed28a4c6cd99ae9c3e18c5c27.jpeg
     
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  5. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    I don't know, I think I could cut opal in any shape needed but the cost would be really expensive.
     
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  6. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    If the emperor ever come across with opal stones, I’m sure he would pay enough to his craftsmen to cut it and make inlays on the most luxurious lacquerware:D
     
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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It wouldn't surprise me!

    Helmet shell looks similar to what the marketroids call "glacier pearl" or "Alaska pearl", another name for pretty-color abalone shell used in jewelry. The settings are often costume.
     
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  8. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    This opal cutter put $40,000 of opals in his table.
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    too bad it didn't turn out well..
     
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  10. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    Well it looks like my inexperience with opals shows. Your browning/yellowing opal is because of 2 things 1) the opal wasn't very good quality and 2) because it got soaked through. I must admit my experience has been with very high quality opal and the price you paid seemed to me very cheap when you told me. I haven't found a solution as yet, I'll keep looking but I'm now informed this is a issue with low grade opal from Ethiopia. It was likely cut dry in the first place to avoid this happening before it was sold, I'm not sure but apparently signs of low grade opal after cutting is a dull like shine (un-glass like).
     
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  11. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Here’s a picture of it when I just bought it :( 7bd2ae197e845001ac2027ebda1de77b.jpeg
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    looks like it's starting to yellow already.............:(
     
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  13. 808 raver

    808 raver Well-Known Member

    And here lies the problem with opal bought online, it's almost impossible to tell what kind of photo was taken, with what photo enhancements. My photos were taken without any photoshop on a inexpensive mobile phone with no special lighting. If I had taken them using sunlight the opals would have looked better because sunlight is white light thus all the colours would show. TBH without it in my hand I couldn't possibly tell, I buy my opals from opal auctions, the very strict rules on sellers means 3 strikes and your out, all sellers have a no quibble returns policy, most say what light and camera was used ect. Most sellers on there sell opals at the price the quality demands. so if they know it's poor quality the price is adjusted because the last thing they want is a return. Opal value is a minefield, it's not just ct weight, there are so many considerations to take into account and then you have sellers own prospective on it's value. Normally brightness is the number one factor, recently I paid far more for a lot of rough (uncut) opals because the well known rough opal seller had bunched all the brightest opals in one lot. pattern, colours, directional, size, clearness, what mine it was mined in and really what the seller want's for it. I think the biggest problem in the UK is buyers don't really know much about them, I show people here in the UK opals I've done and they say they have never seen opals like that.
     
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  14. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    If any of you still watching this thread…I want to share one of the most beautiful boxes I’ve ever seen… From Christie’s…
    https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6307115
    While my box, although painted with butterflies, yet resembling moths in the flame, this box sold for more than $50000, however, is more apparent in the juxtaposition of beauty and death… can you imagine all these pretty butterflies, seemingly fly freely, are in fact trapped in the spider’s web and struggling for life? 467a4714c98d1ecba294951059150f1c.jpeg 1865a9b7414c06796fb22b25a024a968.jpeg
     
  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    where's the spider..:playful:
     
  16. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Whoa. That really would attract attention.
     
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  17. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Not everything needs to be shown…that is the philosophy of East Asian art. A scary spider is not necessary here, as shapeless death is the ultimate predator.
     
  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that's dark....
     
  19. shamster

    shamster Well-Known Member

    Attention worths almost $60000… one of the most expensive boxes I’ve seen too!
     
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  20. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It's beautiful, and somebody sure wanted it a nice cars' worth. I bet the seller was happy.
     
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