Featured ID Blue & White Europe or China ?

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  1. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    MOS-Re this piece's mark being 'very odd, and maybe suspicious?' ,are you thinking that the piece is perhaps a forgery or repro ? Seems to have some age (see closeups & damage)-if it's phony,happily the counterfeiter only got $4 out of me.
     
  2. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    That makes you wonder...why would this be worth counterfeiting. Times have changed though, and it happened with well-known names in the 80s.
     
  3. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    First of all, I don't know. You've been given some sources to check, and that's the advisable thing to do. I am thinking of modern Chinese marks that imitate old European ones, but are always off on some (sometimes subtle ) point. But I'm talking through my hat. I really don't have a clue. If it looks convincingly old to you, it probably is. There's a ton of makers out there whose mark are either unknown or only available to deep researchers. It's a sure bet that transferware was produced in countries using Cyrillic script. Have you tried searching Russian or Ukrainian transferware?
     
  4. 3798dmmnn

    3798dmmnn Active Member

    Backmark looks British to me.

    Does anyone else see the roof as thatched?
     
  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It could be, but that only rules out a few parts of Europe (and Asia for that matter).
    My vote still goes to British.
     
  6. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    IMG_8074.png I think that your plate is modern Chinese. They have taken the most common English transfer ware pattern “ Wild Rose” and given it an oriental look. The mark is similar to the sort of thing used by companies like United Wilson who make modern “antiques”.

    Apologies if I’m wrong but I just don’t see Victorian ceramicists in China copying English patterns .
     
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  7. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    You could very well be right. The fact that Co in the backstamp is backwards might be a clue. What struck me as odd is the reticulated border with that scene.
     
  8. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    There are also hanging holes - unlikely on antique blue and white.
     
  9. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Thanks folks-mystery still pending,but that very well could be the solution of such weirdness ?
    Near the very peak of my personal Antique Top Ten Commandments- always pay cheap for even a very plausible looking Chinese Antique.
    90% of the time,the superb artisans of the Celestial Kingdom will be cleverer than you.
    Here's the Gotheborg page on newer Chinese ceramics.
     
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  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

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  11. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Debora,that's as close as I've seen.The ornamentation between the spokes is very close if not dead on.The back rim is glazed on mine,unglazed on the Brazilian one,the Brazilian is overall yellower,the other pattern sections are diff btw the two,and I haven't studied the craquelure enough yet to make a pos match (wish I could just isolate the crackle ?).
    But deff could've come from the same factory.
    PS-Is the Brazilian set modern (last decade)? I wish they would've given more info on the producer (unless I missed it).
    Thanks folks for the effort put into all this really intelligent FB-this Site is amazing (course,we all know that !).
     
  12. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Also in my 'Antique Top Ten Commandments'-it's always chipped,dinged,cracked or otherwise molecularly damaged, except when it aint, which I classify a miracle (least in my price range).
     
  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The Brazilian seller didn't give era but that heavy craquelure is to be found on recent Chinese imports so I would think new if not -ish.

    Debora
     
  14. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I’m not convinced. That doesn’t look like recent fake craquelure on yours. The Brazilian ones are much brighter modern transfers too.
     
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  15. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Agree. The quality is quite different.

    Debora
     
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  16. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Good points-I've got to study the diff craquelures out there.
     
  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto.
     
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