Featured Help Identifying Welsh/English China

Hello, I have a set of China that has been passed down in my family for over 6 generations. While the pattern matches some Gaudy Welsh china, the hand painting is far more detailed than anything I have seen. The colors are also much richer.

The lore for this china is that there are two sets, and the other set is in a museum in England.

Based on my research, I believe the set may be Chamberlain Worcester or a related early 19th-century or late 18th-century English factory. I am hoping someone might have a pattern book and be able to assist me in identifying.


Description of the Porcelain
Pattern/Design:

• Deep cobalt blue ground with rich gilding
• Chinoiserie scenes painted in reserves/cartouches
• Central medallion featuring a figure holding a parasol, with a second figure presenting flowers, set in a garden scene with fence and foliage
• Polychrome palette including pink/puce, green, yellow, and blue
• Elaborate gold scrollwork surrounding the reserves
• Scalloped edges on plates

Marks:

• Hand-painted pattern number "357" in puce/purple on the base of a few pieces. Maybe one in 6 has the number.
• No other marks visible on the pieces examined so far

Quality:

• The quality is notably finer than typical "Gaudy Welsh" pottery
• The colors are richer and the detail more refined than similar pieces I have found online
• The gilding is elaborate and well-preserved
  
  I have much higher quality photos but this site limits sizes.

 

the colours are great, but even though they are hand painted, the main pink details are transfer ware

you can see how fast the colours have been added over the top

and unmistakeably a transfer underneath

 

It is charming Chinoiserie, but quite a few sets and pieces are still out there, so many sets must have been made. Family lore is not always correct.
Just a few:

https://rehit.noticeink.shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=489498

https://nicolette.instantoffers.shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=29061948

https://wetbug.addcensus.top/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=396382

https://exdrop.atfile.click/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=337086

The consensus seems to be 1830s, and some say Staffordshire. The 'potties' will be along later to tell you more.

 

Welcome to Antiquers! Yes, a 19th c. Staffordshire factory of some sort. There were many throughout the 19th c and so can't ID a particular factory. And 1830 would be OK for date but this pattern was made for decades. I have a small mug with this pattern. These wares would fall into the "cheap and cheerful" category. But they are true antiques and to have a whole surviving set is lovely.

 

Thanks so much for the reply. I did find many of these out there, but when I compare the quality, colors and lines, I just can't find anything similar. Maybe I am just seeing what I want to see.

 

there will be variations of course, and can understand how they look quite naively painted, but when you've seen enough transferware, its pretty obvious thats what it is

those little missing areas to the trees are where the transfer hasn't been 100% successful, you also get slight smudging with it, so if you look closely you'll see signs of it, and overlap as well (where the transfers don't go perfectly together)

 

if you think about it logically as well, who would go to the extent of painting that whole scene and then just splash colour over it like that (that doesn't even follow the lines)

 

I think this is Gaudy Welsh probably Staffordshire made c1830 not as major factory