Late 19th Century Russian Brass Charcoal Samovar Turnip Shape - Need help with stamp

Hello everyone,
I would highly appreciate your expertise and help regarding this family heirloom Russian charcoal samovar.
Based on my initial research, it is a solid brass samovar made in Tula, Russia. Structurally, it features a smooth body with no vertical lobes, which seems to perfectly match the traditional Turnip / Репка design. It weighs exactly 2.5 kg and has an estimated capacity of around 3 liters.
I have attached high quality macro photos of the stamps for verification:
Left stamp: Features the Russian Imperial Double Headed Eagle emblem inside a beaded oval frame.
Right stamp: Shows a bird/eagle in flight with the clearly legible Cyrillic text "ТУЛА" below it.
Base stamp: A horizontal rectangular factory stamp embedded in the brass rim of the square base. It is heavily patinated, but the outline of the rectangular frame is fully visible.
I believe this is an authentic piece from the famous Batashev Factory (likely from the late 1890s or early 1900s, post-1896 Nizhny Novgorod exhibition), but I would love to hear your thoughts on the exact factory lineage, the specific stamps, and its overall historical or collector value in today's market.
Thank you in advance for your time and knowledge!

 

Thanks

 

Welcome Davor.

 

Welcome! You're in good company here!

 

Can't help, but welcome anyway!

 

Thank you for your reply! I wanted to ask if you might know any expert, online forum, or museum that would be good for identifying and evaluating this old samovar? Any tip or direction would be highly appreciated. Thanks again!

 

We don't do values here , and neither do museums ..... but give us a chance to point you in the right direction....

 

We do point people toward eBay's Completed & Sold listings. That will give you an idea of where collector interest lies. (If you've never searched there, you can find them via the Advanced button on the upper right next to Search.) Do keep in mind that age and sentimental value don't necessarily translate into market value.

Debora

 

it seems these pot belly samovars originally came with a set of other pieces...
So you have any ??
that will affect the selling price..!

 

I did some digging into the marks you photographed. I don't think we have enough detail yet to responsibly name a specific manufacturer, but I do think there is enough here to make further investigation worthwhile.

The construction is consistent with a traditional solid-fuel samovar: the water reservoir surrounds a central tube that functions as the stove, normally burning charcoal. The Fort Ross Conservancy has an excellent historical reference on samovars that diagrams this construction and, more importantly for yours, contains an entire section devoted to identifying marks on samovars, followed by examples of additional samovar makers and their marks.

Your two circular impressions look consistent with the type of medal/award markings encountered on Russian samovars. Those can potentially provide information about a manufacturer and exhibitions or awards associated with the factory. The separate rectangular stamped area in your fourth photograph may be even more useful because there appear to be characters remaining in it, but unfortunately I can't read them reliably from the current photograph.

I would not want to guess at Batashev, Tula, or any other particular manufacturer until those markings can actually be read.

If you're interested in trying to identify it further, I would take new photographs of every mark anywhere on the samovar, especially:

• the two circular impressions
• that rectangular stamp
• the underside of the base
• the lid and area around the chimney
• any markings around or underneath the handles and spigot

For the worn stamps, take one photograph straight-on in good natural light and another with a flashlight held almost sideways across the metal. That low-angle light can create shadows inside shallow stamped lettering and sometimes reveals characters that disappear under direct light. I also would not polish or aggressively clean the markings beforehand.

Here is the main reference I used. This is not an auction listing or seller identification; it is the Fort Ross Conservancy Library's copy of Mary J. Barry's historical reference, The Samovar: Its History and Use. It includes sections specifically covering identifying marks, makers and maker marks:

https://www.fortross.org/lib/57/the-samovar-history-and-use.pdf

Fort Ross Conservancy also discusses traditional samovars and their Russian historical context here:

https://www.fortross.org/news/2020/december

If you can get clearer photographs of those markings, particularly that rectangular one, I'd be interested in taking another run at identifying the manufacturer a

I can be of help. Just need better/more photos of the inscriptions etc. The silver one is so corroded that one may need a clean to clearly identify it. And always remember the price of an ideas goes UP if you can back up genealogy!
nd narrowing down its age.

 

Object**** sorry about that.