Black Men wearing French clothes Vase

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by lelliott19, Apr 1, 2016.

  1. lelliott19

    lelliott19 Member

    Has anyone ever seen one of these before? I picked it up at an estate sale today and have never seen one like this. The porcelain on the vase part is very thin - you can easily see objects through it when held up to the light. Does this qualify as a "blackamoor" ? Vase.jpg
     
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  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Looks like a spill vase. Likely German. Look for an impressed mark on the back near the bottom. I wouldn't call these blackamoors. I'd probably list them as Black Americana, even though they probably aren't American.
     
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  3. lelliott19

    lelliott19 Member

    Thanks @moreotherstuff Ill look for a mark there. The only mark on the bottom is a tiny gilt brushstroke that looks remotely like a bird or eagle or a couple of letters squished together? Maybe a stylized U with wings at the top sitting on top of a triangle? ANy idea on the age of the piece or when such German Black Americana figures dressed in French clothing :bored:would have been imported?
     
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  4. lelliott19

    lelliott19 Member

    Heres another picture of one of the figures, the back, and the marking I was trying to describe and below what may the imprinted marking????
    vase single figure.jpg
    vase back.jpg vase gilt mark.jpg vase imprint.jpg
     
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  5. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Found this on Wiki
    Blackamoor figures are sculptures and other depictions of exotic figures, usually African males but sometimes other non-European races, used in European art in the Early Modern period. They occur in various media, often holding a tray or some other container, which was available for practical use. They occur in jewelry, armorial designs and decorative art. They often represent a conceit depicting a symbolic servant, and large examples of about half-size were placed on either sides of doorways, as real footmen might be. These examples were typically in cheaper materials such as painted wood, or plaster.



    The gilt mark is probably the decorator's mark.
     
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  6. lelliott19

    lelliott19 Member

    Thanks @clutteredcloset49 so seems this wouldnt be considered "blackamoor". These figures are dressed in fancy French attire and are not symbolized as servants. It seems to be made of fine bisque. Any info on time period or value for this piece?
     
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  7. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    Either the artist never met a black person in his life or these are actors maybe? They all look like Al Jolson with dark makeup, almost silly. What are they holding in their hands?
     
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  8. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Um...how about Caribbean?
     
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  9. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I was just supporting more's response.

    I agree with his assessment that they are most likely German.
    Time period, my guess - turn of the century, 1890 -1910ish.
     
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  10. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    I've no idea but I just HAD to see what that title meant... :)
     
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  11. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I can't say that I'm seeing a maker's mark. Sitzendorf did stuff like this, but no doubt others did as sell.

    The figures are caricatures, not as blatant as some, but meant to satisfy cultural stereotypes rather than depict real people.

    clutteredcloset's timeline sounds good to me.
     
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  12. lelliott19

    lelliott19 Member

    I agree ola402 definitely more typical of inaccurate turn of the century stereotype. Seems these kinds of pieces were produced more than I knew. Each seems to be holding a bowl of rice or similar in their left hand. The right hands look to be poised to hold a spoon or eating utensil but there is no indication that anything was ever there.
     
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  13. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Dishes of ice cream or a puff pastry......something like that???

    Edit: Ooops....almost forgot!! WELCOME Lelliott19!!!! Fun and VERY informative place to be. Someone will usually figure out what is posed as an item in question!!!:D:D:D:D
     
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  14. lelliott19

    lelliott19 Member

    Yes @Aquitaine so funny that you mention ice cream! My mother insists it is ice cream.
     
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  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Well, they ARE wearing their "sundae best"! ;)
     
  16. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    EEEEKKKKKKKKK, it is spreading now even Bakersgma is doing it. Bennett Cerf is twirling in his grave. First it started with KoT and it spread to Komo now it is affecting this ONE.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
    greg
     
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  17. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Too dang bad Benny. ;)
     
  18. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Ice cream maybe, but if it is a statement about the south. Grits.
     
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  19. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Try googling on minstrels. It was the thing, once, for white men to don "black" makeup and perform on stage. Think Jolson.
     
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