Hat With Lid

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Sarajayne, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. Sarajayne

    Sarajayne Well-Known Member

    I got this piece when my Mom died. No idea of the age. Very confusing. Is it Baccarat or junk? My friend has a book on Baccarat that is where I got the pics of the pattern. it measures 4 1/2 inches across the top. The opening is 2 1/2" It is not round but is oval, the body measuring 3" by 2 1/4" Baccarat.jpg Baccarat2.jpg Baccarat2.jpg Baccarat4.jpg Baccarat5.jpg Baccarat1.jpg
     
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  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Just throwing this out there,but could it be a hair receiver? Love the color.
     
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  3. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Not without a hole in the top. I have a couple. This looks like it could have been for matches? It may be a basket pattern, but I don't think it's Baccarat. I thought all Baccarat was signed.
     
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  4. Sarajayne

    Sarajayne Well-Known Member

    It might be as I have no idea what it is, age or who made it.
     
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  5. Sarajayne

    Sarajayne Well-Known Member

    Only after the 1920's did Baccarat sign some of their better pieces. I believe they sign it all today.
     
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  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    What does the bottom look like?
    Any marks on the back metal by the hinge?
     
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  7. Sarajayne

    Sarajayne Well-Known Member

    Baccarat7.jpg The bottom has the same design and there are no marks on the metal pieces.
     
  8. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you.
    So I am curious. Most of the Baccarat pieces I have seen have a polished bottom. Would Baccarat have done a pressed bottom like this?
    Asking because I don't know.
     
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  9. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Found another with a couple of pics that look like your pics. Did you post the following query 4 years ago on the Bonanza website? The poster wanted to know if it is Baccarat. The last reply on the page says:

    "Sure is one sold on ebay heres the title

    Antique c1850 Baccarat Victorian Opaline Glass Trinket Box Jar * No Reserve !
    IN THE BOOK ** Super Rare Green Opaline * Basket Weave

    It sure is. If you google that title it should pull up the sold listing"

    http://www.bonanza.com/community_help/It_s_Me_Again__Question_About_Baccarat_Glass

    Noww I don't know or know enough to even guess if this is the real deal or not.

    I couldn't find the one on eBay referred in the reply, but believe I found it on WorthPoint.
    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-c1850-baccarat-victorian-412879304

    --- Susan
     
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  10. artsfarm

    artsfarm Active Member

    Could it be a jam or mustard jar? The size seems right
     
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  11. George Nesmith

    George Nesmith Well-Known Member

    The Barlow & K reference is interesting. I check it later.
     
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  12. Sarajayne

    Sarajayne Well-Known Member

    I just thank you all so much for the help. Susan, I sure will check out those sites
     
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  13. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Well, I think it is absolutely GORGEOUS!!!!!!!
     
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  14. George Nesmith

    George Nesmith Well-Known Member

    Barlow & K uses the same diagram in Vol 3 P 199. The colors shown are similar but date 1870-80 which I think is closer than the 1850 . There is no reason for an item like this not to be fully molded in a press. Trinket or possibly a pomade jar.
     
  15. Sarajayne

    Sarajayne Well-Known Member

    Thanks George. I posted some pics of this a few years ago and someone asked if they could copy my pics. I told them OK, so they must have had one to sell.
     
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  16. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking vanity jar of some sort.

    artsfarm -
    a jam or mustard should have a place for a spoon.
     
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  17. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Just curious--when did glass companies begin using metal hinges on objects? Although my experience with hinged glass objects is by no means vast, most pieces I've seen date from the 1880's or later. Before that time frame, seems like most pieces had tops that just sit on the bottoms.
     
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  18. George Nesmith

    George Nesmith Well-Known Member

    I do not know when the metal henge attachments became common. but this looks like an after market fitting possibly old stock at a later date. The lid sure looks like a metal frame was not needed or intended when the mold was made.
     
  19. ascot

    ascot Well-Known Member

    Agree. I'm thinking this may be a sugar bowl. Fanciful sugars or sucrieres were made by a number of companies in the 19th century. The rectangular ones with hinged lids from the late 1800s seem to be the most plentiful and are quite pricey. Most are attributed to Baccarat but I've never seen any proof. Vallerysthal also did some very fanciful sugars, as did other French companies. It's unfortunate that Baccarat has never published a comprehensive guide to its production. They used to have a link on their French website where you could send pics for authentication, but I don't believe it's still there.
     
  20. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    I'd think it's too small for sugar. Jars with hinged tops were usually vanity pieces.
     
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