Can Anyone Give me and Idea of what these are

Discussion in 'Art' started by Som'yol, Mar 25, 2017.

  1. Som'yol

    Som'yol New Member

    I do not know much about them other than that they are probably Persian and that the illustrations seem palimpsestic.

    If anyone could translate or point me to a place where I could get these properly identified that would be great.
     

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  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Why not take it to a local mosque and ask them to translate for you?
     
  3. benbenny007

    benbenny007 I buy rubbish, and sell antiques

    Ottoman manuscript paintings. Hard to tell how old they are not having them hands-on and looking at the used paper. Seen similar dating back to 1400-1600 AD (not saying your are this old). But the text is over painted which is not a good sign. Therefore I think that these are modern paintings on antique manuscripts, made to look old and to be sold to tourists. Maybe others will know more or confirm. I'm also here to learn.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Right again benbenny, except they are Persian in style, as Som'yol says. The little polo players are a giveaway, here is an Iranian tourist piece painted on bone and
    stuck on cardboard:
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  5. Som'yol

    Som'yol New Member

    Hey all. It is clear that the paintings and manuscripts are different, however, it does seem to me, by quality and style, that the drawings were done by someone with some considerable training in the persian tradition. Not so say that a vendor could not obtain this, but there are two parts of these pieces that indicate they are not common kitsch, perhaps even that they are uncommon kitsch. First is the quality of the base, which seem to be some weird courtly form of farsi from the people i've consulted, not just a piece of cardboard; the second manuscript also has particularly fine parchment. Second is the decay of the second manuscript (the polo riders), which makes it seem that they are of some age. Therefore I am interested as to whether or not these are contemporary palimpsests; for instance a artist in the 17th century wanted to practice and picked up the nearest sheet of paper. However, to confirm this, I would need to know what is on the document. Thus I am more interested at the moment in finding out the nature of the writings. Do any of you have any contacts I may be able to communicate with online to figure this out?
     
  6. Som'yol

    Som'yol New Member

    Its not modern standard Arabic, and it even seems to be farsi.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is most likely to be Farsi, so you'd have to find an Iranian or Afghan, Central Asian, etc. scholar to look at the text. A random mosque wouldn't do in this case.
    If you think they are contemporary palimpsests, it is best if you can find an expert (museum, specialised auctioneer) to look at them 'in person'.
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Possibly a university with testing facilities. Please keep us posted, I'd love to know.
     
  9. Som'yol

    Som'yol New Member

    I've reached out to a friend at a larger university, hopefully I can use some of his resources.
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That was fast, good job! Let's hope it works out.
    From what I know of our universities, when I was more active in the field, they love the opportunity to research something that hasn't been looked at before. They would usually slip it into some other project, that way you wouldn't have to pay for expensive tests.
    In this case they might not even have to do that, the right person could see it without expensive tests.
     
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