Identifying an antique tea set

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by LilyS, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    Hello,
    My mum brought me round this exquisite tea set that her Aunt gave her many years ago. My mum remembers her having said something about the set having been her mother's, who died when my great aunt was 4 in 1911. Apart from a grainy photo, this is the only relic we have of my great-grandmother Alice (or Lilian, as she preferred to be called) and I shall treasure it. One of the cups is broken, but mendable. There's Chinese writing on the bases of the cups. I'd greatly appreciate any further info about these cups. Am I right in thinking they're Chinese art deco?
     
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  2. jakatch

    jakatch Active Member

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  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I think Japanese, not Chinese.

    Interesting. The design of the blank with the little dots and flower handle look more like German porcelain. But painted design is obviously not.

    Time period 1900 ish.

    I would not call this Art Deco. It has nothing in common with Art Deco that I see.

    Oh and forgive me,
    Welcome to the board.
     
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  4. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Can't help, but that's a lovely tea set!!
     
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  5. Lucille.b

    Lucille.b Well-Known Member

    Yes, older than Art Deco, which is fun. I see one cup is broken, but a display of four is very nice. There were probably more once upon a time, so don't fret that too much. You could try to repair since a family piece, if not, hold on to the intact saucer as a spare.

    (I'm sure you know this, but never put these in a dishwasher.)

    They are very pretty.

    Welcome to the site!
     
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  6. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    Hello everyone and thanks for your friendly welcomes :) I am mending the broken one with PVA glue (which I read up on before when I had some broken china). It's joined really neatly. I'm just leaving it overnight to dry. I wouldn't drink tea out of it – or, in fact, any of them though, as they are too precious feeling. I tried scrolling through the site Jakatch linked, but couldn't find a matching mark. I'm going to try and scan a cup base to see if I can get a clearer image of a mark that I can Google image match. Interestingly, if it is Japanese, my great-grandfather had been in Japan a few years before he married my great-grandmother, so maybe he bought the set whilst there?
     
  7. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    I lived in Japan for a few years and learned they sell many things in sets of 5 because the word for 4 is the same as the word for death--shi.
     
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  8. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I've heard that too. The Chinese don't either, at least for their own use.
     
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  9. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    This is very interesting, thank you Janet and Evelyb30. I asked my English friend who lives in Japan (and has a PhD in Japanese) and he's confirmed that the writing is Japanese, says, "must be the maker's name". So it looks like, now I've mended the broken cup, we have the complete set. This is wonderful :)
     
  10. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I agree with all the comments above -- Japanese and turn of the 20th c. Interestingly, the moulded shape and the pink colour remind me of a lot of German /Bohemian china wares of that time period.
     
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  11. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    Kentworld, could the set be, in your opinion (or anyone else's here) early 1890s? My great-grandfather was in Japan at this time, but settled in Devon, England (where he met and married my g-grandmother) in about 1895. If this set can't be this early, then it rules out the possibility of his having brought it back from Japan with him
     
  12. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    I just realise I wrote art deco instead of art nouveau in my original post
     
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  13. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't call this Art Nouveau either.

    I wonder if the writing is simply the name of the painter.

    Here in the US at the turn of the century late 1800s to early 1900s, china painting was very popular .
    I'm glad Kentworld had the same gut feeling I did, that the porcelain looked German.

    So whose to say that the C&S's weren't purchased as white blanks and then painted.
    Why couldn't a Japanese artist have bought German cups and painted them?
     
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  14. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    The sense of Germanness is coming through strongly in these replies. Perhaps this may have happened (that unglazed C&Ses were sent to Japan. That you, CluuteredCloset49 feel this set might be late 1800s at least ties with the idea of my g-granddad having purchased it in Japan
     
  15. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Sure, it could be late 1890s, but I dunno for sure. Your set is Japanese, but the Japanese did a great deal of imitation of popular Western styles, so I think that this set may have been inspired from some of the German wares that were widely exported in the late 19th/early 20th c.
     
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  16. khl889

    khl889 Well-Known Member

    The mark's not very clear on the particular cup you posted. Maybe if you post some sharp photos of the mark on two or three other cups it'll be possible to read it. Maybe.
     
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  17. LilyS

    LilyS Member

    I have done this. I uploaded them to Facebook and my Japanese speaking friends have translated the marks as Mr Kishida. In Googling Kishida , I came across a contemporary fine art porcelain painter living in Kobe with the family name of Kishida. Kobe was where a photo of my great-grandfather was taken c.1892. I wonder if the Kishida family have a tradition of this work? I'll upload the photos I took of the clearer base marks to an album here so I can post them :)
     
  18. LilyS

    LilyS Member

  19. khl889

    khl889 Well-Known Member

    Yes, it's Kishida (sometimes also read Kishita) written with these characters: 岸田.
     
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  20. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    So the question is
    Did Japan import white blanks from Germany?
     
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