a chinese plate

guys any idea of this type of plates. is it Chinese or something else. the other side of the plate is just blank

 

The first plate is Chinese, made in Fukien. These plates were shipped all over coastal Asia by the Portuguese and the Dutch, and even found their way to the Mughal/Moghul court.
The second plate is European, maybe French, but there are people here who know more about European ware than I do.
We'd still like to see the backs of these plates.

 

hey thanks any jewelry. so the Fukien made plates should be in at the 17th century and 18th century right?

 

Fukien is now called Fujian, I'm a bit old-fashioned in my porcelain names.
I'd have to see more pictures, close-up and back, to tell if this is an old one.

 

ok il try to get some. actually these are from a friend of mine. he has a small shop which sells ornaments to tourists. so when he gets hold of something old. he ask me for what it is and its price. il try to ask the back end pics of this ceramics. usually are fujian a collector's item? are they valued in the market?

 

There are certainly buyers for antique Fujian ware, although it is not as valuable as blue and white ware from Jingdezhen. Jingdezhen is where the best known Chinese porcelain was made, to Chinese Imperial standard.
But it all depends on the age, design and condition. It looks like there is a crack in the plate. That doesn't mean it's worthless, but it affects the value.

 

The second plate picture is what I think is called Gaudy Welsh.

 

thanks a lot. By the way how did you identify the plate as a fukian style? is there any significant way of identifying.

 

Fujian porcelain used to be called 'crude porcelain' by the Portuguese and Dutch. They meant that it was not as refined in design, material, and execution as the other Chinese porcelain types they knew. So if it is Chinese, but not elegant or refined, you can look in the direction of Fujian.
This is a very rough description, of course there are more things to take into account, but it is a start.

 

In The Netherlands we would call this 'Boerenbont', 'boer' is farmer or peasant, 'bont' is multi-coloured or gaudy:


I believe Gaudy Welsh has an Imari-like colour scheme. The colours on this one remind me a bit of Breton pottery, that's why I thought it might be French.

 

hey thanks a lot for the specific information. that was very helpful

 

'Interestingly when the Dutch merchants of the nineteenth century travelled, they took their pottery with them and so Boerenbont travelled to far-flung corners of the world … They have followed the path of these sailing salesmen all over the world, from Sumatra to Zanzibar via Goa.'
https://stuffdutchpeoplelike.com/2017/02/10/boerenbont-traditional-dutch-tablewear/

From the same site, Boerenbont in use in Indonesia:

 

Gaudy Welsh I believe is accented with gold, so I don't think that is what the second is.

Really need to see the back. Could be Gaudy Ironstone, could be Majolica from Spain, Portugal, or some other area.

 

From the shape and pattern of the 1st plate, it is a folk plate which is also called in chinese "Min Yao". These types of porcelains are widely used in normal life when they are produced. On the other hand, another types of porcelains are called "Guan Yao", and they are produced in some specific kilns and specific procedures. Most of them are very well made, highly detailed and with high value of them.

 

That's 民窑 min yao.

 

Thanks for your correction.

 

Hey thanks a lot at asian fever, but how to identify one whether its min yao or guan yao?