Danish (?) Silver Beaker. Hallmarks Unknown

Hey Folks,

Picked up this battered, silver beaker at the market. Has an inscription on it:

"Erindring af mine Brodre" = Danish = "In Remembrance of my Brothers"

That being the case, I would believe the hallmarks on the base to be Danish as well:



Marks on the base:



In case you can't read them, they are:

L: 13 1/3
M: PD (presumably the maker's mark).
R: Unsure.
T: Seven dots or circles. Three on top, four beneath, inside an oval.
B: 6M or 9W stacked on top of each other.

The Danish hallmarking system was upgraded in 1893 to include FOUR marks. This has FIVE. I assume therefore that this would be older.

Any insights??

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13 1/3 might be 13.3 Loth (812 purity German/Austrian Silver)?

 

It's Norwegian, from Bergen, about .833 fineness - perhaps you could take a better pic of the marks...

~Cheryl

 

How do you determine Norwegian-ness?

 

Because those are Norwegian marks. The seven balls indicate assay in Bergen, the 13-1/3 lothige is typical, the 'PD' would be the maker's mark, the 6-over-M would be the month of assay (June), the other mark should be a two digit 19th century year mark, and sometimes an assay-master mark will also be present.

~Cheryl

 

Oh I see! So how old is this? If I read your post correctly, then the unknown mark is '71' for 1871?

Here are the five marks:

 

Assayed in 1871.

~ Cheryl

 

Thanks!

So, does the translation still hold true? Is it Danish or Norwegian?

 

It is Norwegian, in Danish it would be Erindring af mine Brødre, not Brodre. The languages are closely related, in general Norwegians and Danish understand each other.

 

Hi,
The Danish is more of a physiological condition of the naso pharynx. When i first started to visit Denmark I thought everyone had a type of asthma. Only kidding of course I love the Danes and their country.
greg

 

To me it sounded like they had hot potatoes in their mouths. But then again Dutch sounds a bit like that, especially Hollands.
I also love Denmark and the people. If it wasn't so extremely expensive we would have moved there years ago.

 

Denmark and Norway were joined for centuries, though Norway was forced into union with Sweden by the time this piece was made. I've read so many Scandinavian texts on silver, with their limited vocabulary, that I can understand them fairly well - find Danish and Norwegian very similar, and Swedish gives me little trouble, but Finnish has different linguistic roots and have never really picked up on it.

Both of my paternal grandmothers were immigrants from Denmark, so I'm a quarter Danish and have always been fascinated with my 'Viking' roots, but tend to gravitate more toward the Norwegian in artistic and design elements...

~Cheryl

 

Yes Finnish is totally different, it is a Finno-Ugric language, its relatives in Europe are Hungarian and Turkish, with other related languages in Asia.