EAPG 101 Duncan - Miller or Geo. Duncan & Sons? Difference in creamers?

I have several pieces of 101/One-O-One/One Hundred & One/Beaded 101,.... I have seen it attributed to Geo. Duncan & Son and Duncan-Miller by reputable sources. I know the Duncans are the same, but don't know whether to include the Miller in the name. It seems Miller became a stock holder in 1890, and as this pattern is dated by most sources as c1885. it seems too close to call date-wise as to Geo. Duncan or Duncan-Miller. eapgpatterns.com says "possibly George Duncan & Sons" with the following comment.

"The attribution to George Duncan and Sons Glass Co. is unproven based on a scrapbook kept by Augustine H. Heisey when he was associated with the Duncan factory. Other patterns shown on this page of the scrapbook are: Duncans Three Face pickle jar; #335 Toilet Set; Leo XIII Candlestil. Heacock estimates the date of the page as 1880-1882 which shows a 4-inch Panel Nappy, so it is possible that Panel is the original name. He notes differences from 101, and that the sauce is scribbled over--indicating it may have been rejected. Dori Miles. (She has no doubt that Panel is the pattern name. No further idication of the manufacturer of this pattern has been found.)"

Other online source:
8th row down, right column: Geo. Duncan.
http://www.patternglass.com/Store/Creamers/Page2.htm

2nd question: I have two 101 creamers. I always thought they were the same until a month or so ago. Differences: One is taller, slightly narrower, narrower mouth, the fluting around bottom isn't as distinct as the other, and has a wave/notch on each side of the top rim. The other is slightly shorter, wider, wider mouth, fluting around the bottom distinctive, and the top rim is plain. Similarities: Both have 3 mold seams in the same location and the design of the 101 is identical on both. I have found both of them on the web attributed to Duncan & Miller and Geo. Duncan & Son. eapgpatterns and patternglass have a pic of the taller, narrower, notches on top rim 101 creamer. Reilly & Jenks' Early American Pattern Glass, 2nd Edition, pp. 346-347, says maker was George Duncan & Son, Pittsburgh, PA, c1885. The one reproduction mentioned is a Goblet. One one creamer is listed under "Known items." Darn, no measurements or pic of it.

Here's one without the notches online:
http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/1922784506.html

Following are my 2 creamers. I certainly appreciate opinions as to whether both are 101 by Duncan, one a reproduction, or one by another company.

--- Susan

Taller, narrower, notches on top rim. Stands 5" at highest point, 4½" from handle to spout.


Shorter and wider. Stands 4 3/4" at highest point, 5" from handle to spout.

 

Geo. Duncan & Sons, Pittsburgh, existed from 1873 to 1891 when it jointed the U. S. Glass Co. the management, George Duncan's sons then formed a new company in Washington, Pa, and called it George Duncan's Sons & Co. In 1900, one of the sons died and Ernest Miller was taken in as a partner, when the name changed to Duncan & Miller.

Panel, AKA One Oh One, was not made by either of these companies. The Heisey scrapbook, mentioned above, (which I own) does include a picture of a small nappy, crossed off. This, among other pieces of glass and china, (engraver's proofs) are not products of Geo. Duncan & Sons.

 

Oh, thank you so much for the Duncan history and I certainly appreciate your thoughts on the maker. After reading the "Comment" on the eapgpatterns, I was afraid neither Duncan company was the maker. With Dori mentioned in connection with the comment and now you having the scrapebook, I will be adding "Panel" to the name of this pattern and scratching Duncan as maker.

--- Susan