Chinese Vase

Although a nice quality piece I believe it is more recent Jingdezhen porcelain. Someone has erased the mark on the base, that I suspect reads made in Jingdezhen. So, they tried to hide the identity for deceptive purpouse?

 

Not sure scratching off a mark indicates deception.

In China it's not rare to find a maker's mark that's been obliterated because the piece while saleable has some minor problems that make it less than perfect. Sometimes overruns on made-to-order products also have obliterated marks.

 

Ok, in those cases who wipes out the mark, the maker? And they do it in such crude manner?
If the product is not perfect, why they don't inspect it before placing the mark?
Also, I guess it depends on the mark, like if it's a factory, artist's seal or just generic one. In the first cases they may want to protect their reputation but why would someone erase a generic Jingdezhen mark?

I don't get the last part. Are you talking about over-produced custom made orders? Again, I see sense in wiping the mark only if not generic.

This vase does not seem to have unacceptable defects and is likely mass produced. So, has to be some of the previous owners who did it.

 

"If the product is not perfect, why they don't inspect it before placing the mark?"

Do you understand how ceramics are produced, and marked? Unless a sticky label is used, the mark goes on beforehand. Do you understand firing defects?

 

Looks like there was one of those red square stamp marks on the base, gotta say I have never seen one with the mark worn off, on these. I have seen it on Japanese porcelain and cloisonne items, that was done by the owner, a story about the 1941 reaction in the USA.
I collected these vases for a while. Is there something else you want to know? I remember the feeling was that these with the black neck decorations were later than the colorful ones in pink and blue, all post 1950 of course.

 

I ageee, firing defect is always possible.
Not sure when the marks are placed. I guess it depends if he piece is fired once or twice and if the mark is under or over the clear glaze.
How about the rubber stamps, are they put before firing as well?

 

You wouldn't need an ice pick to remove a mark unless it was fired on.

When I see something like this, usually at a street market, I just assume there's a crack or other problem. The game is finding it.

 

I'll take closer look but I don't see any damages. The seal must have been fired on. I rubbed some graphite and it filled up the borders and what is left from the characters. Not sure if I have positioned it right in the photos.

 

Kard, I wouldn't spend too much time on identifying the scratched off mark. That doesn't bring it back.
It is a nice 20th century vase, and will sell as such.

 

It's a BEAUTIFUL vase!!!!! Could the scratched off mark reason be as simple as the printed pattern under the top 'lip' looks to be slightly crooked?????

 

Nothing printed, hand painted.

 

Moorcroft sells "seconds" in their gift shop and make no attempt to remove the marks. Maybe it's a Chinese thing or maybe someone wanted to sell it as something that it's not.