Ignaz Herlinger..anyone know of this 18th century carpenter

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  1. Toekneetang

    Toekneetang New Member

    I own a stained glass cabinet with adjustable shelf pegs and pull drawer..has an antique style lock on cabinet door with a working key....there is a logo sticker with his name and info about his shop...I found only one other piece he made which sold for $600 on a German website...I can't determine it's value...help...
     

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  2. Toekneetang

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  3. buyingtime777

    buyingtime777 Well-Known Member

    Welcome! Cute piece but I have no idea of value. It is actually a nineteenth century piece by the way if going by the sticker and I am willing to bet that date actually indicates when the business started or won an award and this is probably an early twentieth century piece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18th_century
     
  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Here's the maker's death notice. 1831 -1901.

    Debora
     
  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  6. opoe

    opoe Well-Known Member

    Yes, late 19th century, very jugendstil/vienna secessionist. Pretty.

    edit: the sticker says 1898, but even without that it is plain to see.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That is what it looks like, an award in Wien (Vienna) 1898.
    I tried to edit it, but it is still not clear enough.
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  8. Ghopper1924

    Ghopper1924 Well-Known Member

    Pretty nouveau piece.
     
  9. AJefferson

    AJefferson Well-Known Member

    Interesting adjustable shelves. Much more stable than those pegs that break off.
     
  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  11. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    OK, I am probably completely wrong here, but why does the glass look way to modern for the cabinet?

    But like I said, I am probably wrong :)
     
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  12. Christmasjoy

    Christmasjoy Well-Known Member

    I love the cabinet, very nice .. Joy.
     
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  13. Toekneetang

    Toekneetang New Member

    I stand by the fact that this was made in the late 1800s because Ignaz Herlinger died in the 1901, and on the sticker itself..all it says is his name, and he identifies himself as Master carpenter, along with the address of his shop at the very bottom. So with that being said, I dont see why this would be some kind of award sticker ..I think it's his way of identifying his work and identifying what he does and where his shop is...I don't know why an award sticker would list his shop address, since his shop was obviously turned into something else after his death . I did read both his son and great grandson all took on the same profession later, so if this was made in modern time, say by one of them , it would likely be labeled with their names... but since it's just his name and he also did sign the piece, I can't come to any other conclusion other than he made this over a century plus ago....besides, everything that is used to construct this piece, didn't come from modern time, all the nails and hinges seem to line up perfectly with this being of the 18th early 19th century
     
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  14. Toekneetang

    Toekneetang New Member

    Also, I think this can be considered An antique of the Vienna Succession . I also did some research on his family and they are Jewish and several of his Family members were apart of the holocaust, some dying with in the camps itself or during the whole ordeal..So, wouldn't that make this a collectible Judacia Object...Since chances are, it would of been in possession of them at the time ....or even if not in their possession, because of who made it and the year it was made...isn't it a judacia piece??? Anyone able to chime in on that??
     
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  15. opoe

    opoe Well-Known Member

    You have the wrong concept of how centuries work, the 1800s means 19th century.
     
  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The label says he is a Tischlermeister, which means a master joiner or master cabinet maker, not master carpenter.
    A joiner's award does not take the shape of a sticker. However, in Europe a joiner would be allowed to display an image or some mention of the award on his products. Most businesses incorporate that in their labels, stationery, etc.
    Vienna Secessionist was already mentioned, and I think we all think that is the style and period of your cabinet. The Vienna Secessionist movement started in 1897, which makes this cabinet late 19th - early 20th century.
    Judaica means something used specifically in Jewish culture or pertaining to that culture. Your cabinet is lovely, but there is nothing that says Jewish culture.
    If everything any Jewish person makes would be called Judaica, the world would be full of Judaica items, and Judaica wouldn't be collectable.
    In this thread is a good example of a Judaica object:
    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/help-indentifying-item.21015/#post-284346
     
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  17. Toekneetang

    Toekneetang New Member

    I really appreciate everyone's feedback, sorry if I sound like im pressing my thoughts as if I am right, it's not at all like that, I'm just trying to throw ideas around. It's hard to convey tone in these messages
     
  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You can add a certain emotion or feeling by using emojis, not perfect, but a little help. When you're typing a post, you see a band above the post with several icons, starting with B I U. When you follow that, you come across :). Click on that, and you have a choice of emojis::android::angelic::arghh::artist::astronaut::bag::banhappy:, etc.

    Don't worry, we like throwing ideas around.:);):singing:
     
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  19. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    The award being displayed on his label is the equivalent of an English cabinetmaker displaying the Royal Warrant, for instance. Recognition. There's another version of his label floating around on the internet. This one is so clearly art nouveau. Let's see if I can find the other again...

    Debora
     
  20. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Here it is. More of a plaque.

    Debora

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