Age/info on glass bottle

Hullo there, any info on this would be appreciated. All I know is it was bought from an antique shop, and was called Dutch, and possibly a gin or spirit bottle.

I'm wondering on its age, what it was used for and where from etc, thanks pics below

 

Can you show a picture of the bottom?

 

Yes heres the bottom, I see no makers marks or stamps anywhere

 

This is a fantastic website to educate you on early bottles. https://sha.org/bottle/

 

Thanks for the link. Hmm just came across this

http://www.antiques.com/classified/...tle-painted-with-oil---peasant-scene--C--1800

Looks quite similar shape wise

 

I am a bottle person but that style is outside my collecting area. If you are on Facebook this is an awesome bottle collecting group and they will tell you what you have for sure. When you join they will ask if you know what a machine made bottle is. That is a modern bottle where the mold seam goes all the way up the side and over the lip. This is not a machine made bottle and they will be glad to help you if you post it. https://www.facebook.com/groups/9767861815/

 

The base of the bottle is the first thing to study. I think you will recognize yours in about the third picture down under free blown bottle bases picture, bottle on the left on this page of the bottle website identifying it as European spirit type circa 1800 possibly but more studying will be needed to narrow it down likely. https://sha.org/bottle/bases.htm

Got to go cook! I will look in later!

 

My take on it BTW is that it is a free blown spirit bottle and a nice antique bottle!!!! Join that group and watch out, that bottle bug can get a grip on a person!!! Those guys on there are playing hardball and have some amazing stuff. I have seen bottles of your style on there.

 

Yes very close. Your bottle is genuine beyond a doubt.

 

Isn't that a mold mark on the handle in the third picture down? Would a blown bottle have that? Just curious. I know very little about bottles.

 

That handle would have been attached after the bottle was blown and I am not sure what to attribute that mark too but there are no seams coming up the bottle sides at all. The bottom is a good honest blown bottle bottom.

 

I don't think it's a Dutch 'gin' bottle. For one, the English call it gin, but it's genever in Flanders and the Netherlands. Older genever bottles were generally made of pottery, not glass. I do have a couple of those because we spend a lot of time in Belgium.

genever bottles

Bottles are still being handblown today, so that's not a complete indicator of age.

 

I almost wonder if they shaped the handle while it was hot with something that left the mark that looks like a seam. You can see where the handle curls at the bottom where the hot glass was severed.

 

Very true and I don't purport to be an expert. Some of the top experts in the country are in the Facebook group I posted and they will know for sure though.

 

I'm getting some similar results with the search words antique "bocksbeutel" or "Franconia"... They say these are wine bottles, but I've seen one that was for brandy


https://scottishantiques.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=9442


Also that mark on the handle, I'm pretty sure it's not a mark, looks like a perfect circle in the photo but the other half is pretty different looking, I think it just had something to do with how the handle was applied perhaps

 

If you hold it up to the light, is it amethyst or brown glass? I can't tell from the pictures.

 

It's a reddish amber colour when held up to light. Dark brown with a hint of red when not held up to the light

 

It is a wine bottle in my Dutch opinion.
Aec, this one you posted before has the coat of arms of the Dutch province of Zeeland, it signifies the struggle of lowland Zeeland against the sea:


It is not a bocksbeutel.

The bocksbeutel has no handle. It is still used for Franconian (Franken) wine from Frankenland/Franconia in southern Germany. (Nice wine btw)


Some Dutch genever bottles have unusual shapes, which can lead to confusion:


And some are more traditional in shape, but with beautiful decoration:

 

The bocksbeutel has no handle. It is still used for Franconian (Franken) wine from Frankenland/Franconia in southern Germany. (Nice wine btw)

Best wine I've ever drank.....& I drank a lot....right where they made it !!

 

Certainly the best German wine imo, and not all that well known. And Frankenland is probably my favourite part of Germany, whenever we were anywhere near it, we'd take a detour.