French Louis XVI porcelain box can anyone help?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Weemoofrazz, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. Weemoofrazz

    Weemoofrazz New Member

    Hello All

    My Gran recently passed away and in her Will she left me a small porcelain box which has a hand painted portrait of the French king Louis XVI. My Gran had this for decades and it was her grandmothers.

    We're trying to identify the potter and of course if we need to include this on our home insurance or not?

    Does anyone have any idea as to who made this and its potential value?
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  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Is that a paper label on the bottom, or a painted gold mark?
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Some Deceptive Marks. Scores of pounds per piece have been paid, by outwitted collectors, for pieces of porcelain bearing the double L mark of Sevres, with the letter C in between. The Sevres system of marking was to date the issue of a piece by the dateletter placed within the interlacing L's. The dateletter C in genuine old Sevres stands for the year 1755, the third year of the fabrique; but upon the spurious pieces the letter C stands for the surname initial of a certain Monsieur Caille, who painted porcelain made in Paris about forty years ago. The mark of LL with a C is therefore, in itself, a worthless index; the fingertip, the cheek, the finger-nail, the ground colour, the finish of the painting, are guides a thousand times more reliable than the letter C between the double L. For Sevres porcelain made in the year 1755 was soft porcelain ; the Caille counterfeit is hard.

    Just sayin....
     
  4. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    I believe komokwa is correct but I would urge you to have this box examined by an auction house that specializes in French porcelain. Many auction houses will provide you with an evaluation for free. This will put your mind at ease, and if indeed, it is genuine, they would be in a far better position to estimate a value. Regardless of the outcome please remember that your Gran left you an item that was invaluable and special to her.
    Don
     
  5. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Given that information, I could believe a Monsieur Caille attribution.
     
  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

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    Is the top mark painted on top of the glaze? or is it under the glaze?

    Often times blanks were purchased from companies and then hand painted. Either from individual hobby painters, or companies who then resold the item under their company name.

    It appears to me the gold mark is covering the original maker mark of the porcelain box. The top mark appears to be painted on and not under the glaze, meaning that is the mark of the person/company who painted it.

    Can you make out this name?
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    The quality of this would be well below what one would expect from Sevres.
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