Sterling silver plate.

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Iouri, Feb 6, 2021.

  1. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Hello everyone .Is this plate made by ''John Batt & Company''?John Batt was born on 10 January 1830.Sterling silver plates mark ''sphinx'',but all of them silver plated.Is this st.silver plate made in 19th. century?size;width-9inches IMG_7233.jpg IMG_7234.jpg IMG_7235.jpg Thank you.
     
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  2. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    What country do you think Mr. Batt worked in?
     
  4. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    England.
     
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    Iouri Well-Known Member

  6. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    English would have full hallmarks not Sterling.
     
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  8. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    John batt & company was used ''Sphinx'' mark on . silver.
     
  9. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    The metal could be a punched-out formed plate produced in the far East or in Turkey?
     
  10. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Exactly. I have been unable to find a pictorial mark like the one in your post. But I did see an entry for John Batt of Sheffield, England, an electroplater in business with his father beginning 1864. Listed as a maker of Britannia metal from 1890 to 1920.
     
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  12. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    This link shows the one reference I can find that mentions a figural trademark of a sphinx.

    Unfortunately it does not show a picture of said mark. And as noted earlier, the mark is not correct for English sterling. This plate needs to be tested before you try to sell it as sterling.

    http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilverB.html
     
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  13. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Already tested ,I'm not gonna sell.Thank you.
     
  14. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It's not English.
     
  15. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    OK, what is it?I saw some number on back of plate 161/298 -Is this means something?Thank you.
     
  16. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    As said, it's not English. Have seen the mark a few times before, on mid-quality holloware, almost certainly American, circa 1910s-'20s - haven't seen any reasonable attribution, would guess a small jobber, possibly stamping the sphinx at the request of a retailer.

    John Batt was, as already said, an English plater, despite the sphinx, this piece has nothing to do with him. From Woodhead's 'Trademarks on Base-metal Tableware (1991), citation: 'White's Hardware Trademarks' (1892):


    sphinx-john-batt-woodhead.JPG



    ~Cheryl
     
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  17. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    You are genius.Thank you.
     
  18. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    This plate simple made,but sterling silver,enyway.Thank you everyone.
     
  19. Steve Tucker

    Steve Tucker New Member

    I have a small 4.5" diameter, 2.5" Revere type bowl with the exact same mark as shown in the picture. It is exact and my piece is non-magnetic and it is sterling. No other marks, no numbers. My bowl has a very ornate, very intricate design hand cut around the perimeter of the bowl. There appears to be some similar type workmanship on the item in this discussion. Did anyone get any farther on this mark? Thought I would take a chance since you all were having a detailed discussion.
     
  20. Steve Tucker

    Steve Tucker New Member

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