Makers Mark On Bangle

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  1. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

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    Thanks
     
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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Meant to suggest David Yurman's work, I think, but made by someone else. Sorry, don't know who.
     
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  3. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Probably not far off since most of Yurman's jewelry is made in Thailand.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    And Yurman's style is inspired by Thai and Balinese. Many of these copies are made in Bali, which makes sense, it is very much like their traditional jewellery.
    You can find a replacement for the stone on ebay or Etsy. I don't know what the stone on the other finial is, but it could be topaz, maybe zircon.
     
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  5. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    D730390C-B005-4F2C-8F3A-BB5493F794BA.jpeg Thanks for the replies. It is kind of funny, Yurman jewelry is Thai and Bali inspired but because he’s famous the Thai and Balinese started to make copies that are nothing but copies of their own styles.
    It’s the green stone missing.
     
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  6. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    'Stones' apt to be glass. You need one that is peridot colored.
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I agree, peridot. If it is Balinese made, it is likely to be a real stone.
    You could even say he copied Thai and Balinese jewellery, and shamelessly put his name on it. Something the Thai and Balinese have no trouble doing either, but their jewellery never fetches the prices his does. Anyway, he shouldn't complain if they copy it, he himself is a master at copying. Not just Asian styles, also European heraldic.
     
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  8. Check JAI jewelry. He uses 18k accents and gemstones on his sterling.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    This bracelet doesn't have that abundance of "engraved" lines you see on John Hardy's Jai and other jewellery, which is too finicky for my taste.
    Jai is designed (so to speak) by John Hardy. His jewellery is also inspired by Thai and Indonesian, and made there as well. The Jai line is supposedly based on Thai designs, but the gold details on silver look very Indonesian to me.
    But again, basically Thai and Indonesian jewellery with small modifications, sold under a Western name to fetch designer prices.

    Among the first Western designers to have jewellery made in Bali were Marianna and Richard Jacobs with Sajen. Many of their designs were their own, although inspired by Balinese culture and silver crafts. They immersed themselves in Balinese society and culture, and are now also cooperating with Jaipur (Rajasthan, India) craftspeople.
    They stopped making Sajen jewellery, but made a restart under the name Offerings Jewelry by Sajen. Sajen is offering in Indonesian, an important concept in Indonesian culture.
    Here is an 'old' Sajen pendant which I am now wearing, Jacobs design with a hint of Bali. The stones are topaz, iolite, amethyst:
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  10. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    I love it!
     
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  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the great info above. I see jewellery identified as Sajen from time to time, & have wondered without knowing.

    What draws me to glass on the stones is the way the colors are coming through on my monitor, the reasonable assumption that nothing more valuable than semi-precious stones would be used & the perhaps erroneous notion that they would not mix genuine with glass.

    Other than kyanite, which makes a poor gem because it is so easily fractured, I know of no translucent stone short of sapphire that can be the shade of blue I'm seeing. If it's really a smidge greener, then could be altered topaz.

    So my reasoning goes: the blue stone is the color of (very high quality) sapphire; two such stones would not be used in this bracelet; the blue stone is not genuine; the genuineness of the others has to be questioned. Unless the color is not what I think and/or they would employ both mined & glass stones.
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Aquamarine can be quite dark as well, like this one:
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    https://www.mineralminers.com/html/aqugems.stm

    The blue stone could also be treated, blue zircon can also be that colour. All three could be zircon. These are heat-treated blue zircons:
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thank you Judy. I think it is a graceful meeting of east and west.
    Pleasure, of course. Here is some info on Sajen and Offerings Jewelry by Sajen:
    https://www.offeringsjewelry.com/our-story

    You can see the link between Richard Jacobs' art and the design of my pendant. This is one of his pieces.
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Another wealth of great information, as we have come to expect of you, AJ. :happy:

    I knew they treat aquamarine to get it down to that insipid pale blue that was so popular (I like my aquamarine/beryl sea green, but never find it in jewellery.) Did not realize they are now darkening it this way. Good to know.

    Zircon tends to be pricier than some of the other options. Zircon also has a very high refractive index. It would flash way more than any of the other bracelet stones & stand out in a weird way. If there was an alternative, think they would not use it.

    This is not a fair comparison because they are not all in the same light. However, to my eye, the color of the bracelet stone is still different than either of the other 2, which want to go toward green.

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    Maybe it is kyanite. They do seem to be using it for jewellery these days:

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