Egyptian .800 Silver Nefertiti Bust & Tut Mask Figures w/Cartouche Seals? in Bases

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  1. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    I dug these out of a garage at an estate sale recently. Has anyone seen anything like these before?
    Silver-Egyptian-800-Nefertiti&Tut-Figures&Cartouche-A.jpg Silver-Egyptian-800-Nefertiti&Tut-Figures&Cartouche-B.jpg Silver-Egyptian-800-Nefertiti&Tut-Figures&Cartouche-btm.jpg
    Silver-Egyptian-800-Nefertiti&Tut-Figures&Cartouche-hallmarks-N1.jpg
    The last image shows the hallmarks on the bottom edge of the Nefertiti. The Tut has only 2 marks that appear to be the same, only omitting the "lotus".
    I have determined that the mark at left designates .800 fineness, and the lotus is for silver (since 1946). The mark at right should be a date code, but the only date chart I can find ends at 1982, and this mark doesn't seem to match any on that chart. It it therefore safe to assume these pieces are post-1982? Can anyone decipher that mark?
    Is the cartouche in the base intended to be used as a "seal", or purely decorative?
    Are these most likely souvenirs, or perhaps something more interesting?
    Finally, can anyone translate the hieroglyphs?
    Thanx advance to the experts that I know are out there!
     
  2. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Oh, I forgot to add dimensions: These stand 1-14" and 1-1/2" tall. The cartouche bases are a bit over 1" x 2".
     
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  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

  4. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Thanx, Bronwen! I actually did see this chart somewhere, too; though it does go later than 1982, I still can't match my mark to it, either.
     
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  5. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    From what I can see, my best guess is that it is the letter used in 49-51 & again in 02-06. Arabic is such a delicate script, used in a tiny stamp, those little loops & dots have a way of turning into blobs. This chart came off the official Egyptian government web site just a few years ago. They seem now to use 925/sterling as standard & to mark in western style or both western & eastern style. Suspect they may have abandoned marking for date.
     
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  6. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Yes, Bronwen, these marks are very tiny. Probably why I was the one to buy these, though the garage was crawling with shoppers. The casual observer wouldn't even see them, but I recognized them for what they are, though I wasn't sure of the reading.
    The date mark you suggest does seem to be the most likely candidate, although this mark seems to have more dots around it. Thanx for your help. I still hope to learn something more about the items...
     
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  7. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The other possibility would be the one for 78-79.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I'm with Bronwen on the possible date marks, I can only add that Nefertiti has the Cairo mark as well, just above the 80 for .800.
    The marks are clear and very well photographed, my compliments, but maybe Tut's marks are more legible?
     
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  9. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Hi, Any Jewelry. No Tut's marks are less legible, but I can make out that the Cairo .800 mark is the same, and the date mark is likely the same, but much less clear:
    Silver-Egyptian-800-Nefertiti&Tut-Figures&Cartouche-hallmarks-T1.jpg Silver-Egyptian-800-Nefertiti&Tut-Figures&Cartouche-hallmarks-T2.jpg
     
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    look the same..
     
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  11. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Those last 2 pix are 2 shots of Tut's marks.
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    no wonder they look the same......

    I'll keep my thoughts to myself now..............:oops::oops::oops:
     
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  13. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Well, you weren't wrong, were you?
     
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  14. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Can you please post a front shot of the Queen, please?
     
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  15. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    I am finding this to be the name cartouche meaning Tutankhamen.
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  16. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The one on the right I have seen far more than any other inscription on souvenir-type scarab bottoms & cartouche pendants, most of them not featuring Tut. My (weak) understanding is that it is essentially 'Good Luck'. 'Long Life' might be closer.
     
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  17. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Thank you!
     
  18. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    I did see the one on the right a few times around the 'net along with Tut figures, so I was thinking that might be it. I wonder whether the other one represents Nefertiti?
     
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  19. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Both sides of the bust are shown - are you wanting to see the front edge of her face?
     
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  20. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Hmm, it doesn't seem like "Long Life" wishes helped the boy king any.
     
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