Help ID artist

Hi can anyone read this signature

 

I don’t see that signature on the painting you posted.

 

I see "Willam Hugh Williams." As a courtesy in the future, would you please post all the handwritten text in an in focus close-up photograph or photographs?

Debora

 

A Welsh scene, of course. Teeny country. Location shouldn't be so difficult to identify (if you haven't already.)

Debora

 

I think the surname may begin with an "M" not a "W"

If you compare the W in William, it is different than the first initial of surname.

 

Here's a list of Welsh churches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Church_in_Wales_churches

Debora

 

I don’t know if I am the only one who sees it but the signature and the image under the signature and the painting appear to be from 2 different works.

 

It is odd. I thought maybe it was mounted to a backing with the signature, but had become separated. Maybe manny can enlighten us...

 

Correct observation. And the one with the signature may even be signed above the art.

@manny would you please post the correct signature, enlarged, from this piece?

 

You're not making this easy, Manny. Am I to understand that the painting is on the back of the calendar and the handwritten notation identifying artist is at the top of the calendar itself? But then where are all the handwritten notations about the frame found? A bit of a jigsaw puzzle. Why don't you retake your photographs and repost them so we have a clear understanding of all the pieces in their entirety and their relationship to each other. Please include the frame if you have it. That will help us help you.

Debora

 

Hi Debora I added more pictures is it by William Hugh Williams? The date on the top is 1887 or could be 1787 cause this artist dead 1829 or could be someone else wrot it 1887? does the style look the same to you?

 

Thank you for the additional photographs. No, it's not the work of the listed artist Hugh William Williams (1773-1829.) I see William Hugh but, on second look, also see the first letter of the surname is written differently than the "W" so could well be a "M."

Debora

 

Hi well the painting doesn't have a signature but on the back of the board that used to be a calendar is writing who painted this painting it looks like William Hugh Williams also had the time it was cleaned and the frame respreading

 

Hi, Debora, I could not find any name milliams and this painting is very well done sure it's not by an amateur also it is old

 

The church is Norman so the setting is more likely south Wales. What do you think that device atop the thatch is? "Black _____" somethin'.

Debora

 

I was wondering the same thing. Here's a closer look:

 

My assumption is the building is a pub and that's a trade sign but...

Debora

 

St. Padran's Church in Llanbadarn Fawr. Building is an inn, the Black Lion.

Debora